Windows 7 Still Going Strong

[half-moon]

Bld. 10240 seems terribly unfinished to me and the UI is such a poor compromise between old and new, not really looking traditional or modern, just ugly. I don't care about their "apps store" at all.

Too bad Build 10240 is the RTM build.

[Charlie_Delta]

I'm wondering what new kinds of copyright protection and enforcement MS is going to try to use in order to maintain the retail price of Win10, while they are artificially trying to force their satisfied Win7 and Win8 users into an upgrade they do not want. I was just reading about Daz Activation Loader on another forum, and I got the general impression that the net effect of MS's copyright protection schemes is effectively "zero". I lost touch with technical stuff like this about the same time Vista was 1st released and the "big thing" then was something called MUBlinder, which was a royal PITA. After a while I discovered you could purchase a legitimate, used, retail version of any operating system for less than half the price of retail on eBay and my pirate, hacking days were in the rear view mirror. I can do repair installs, etc... and every time I have to call MS, I'm golden.

Anyways, my point is that since that time, MS has had plenty of time to try to protect it's monopoly. Did some reading about UEFI Bios which, as I understand it, makes a Bios-level connection between the Product Key of the Operating System and the BIOS itself, so that nothing BUT the correct license will work. Nice move, Microsoft, I'm thinking while I'm reading about this, and then I read the subforum chock-full of all the Bios mod requests (being delivered) for various systems to somehow "unlock" something called "Slic 2.1" or similar. I might have all of this wrong, I just read about it 10 minutes ago, but in general I got the impression that hacking & cracking MS product today is a whole lot easier than it was 5 years ago, despite the fact that MS has had 5 years to strengthen their protections. Ultimately, it seems to has failed, is my general impression.

So, given that, what is MS going to do about Win10? Up the ante and require genetic testing, retina scans, voice and fingerprint analysis and an anal probe, before agreeing to activate a New Install of Win10 after a substandard piece of crap OEM hard drive dies 6 months after the computer was purchased? Or has MS realized that it's simply not enough to be an international monopoly with the backing of the (US) Justice Department to do whatever the <censored> you want and never go to prison; that the organized, computerized online human race will always figure out a way to break whatever security system they put in place.

Which? I wonder. Does MS double-down, or roll over and play dead?

[Moonchild]

Which? I wonder. Does MS double-down, or roll over and play dead?

Probably something in the middle - it will allow them to crack down on the average IT-illiterate user if they dare to install a pirated copy, but won't stop the people who know exactly what the hell they are doing. Why? Numbers. The number of users that can be fined and punished for an illegal installation this way is going to be significant, and the extra effort to make it more difficult for the savvy users won't give them much additional ROI.
Also, by enforcing updates, they can continue to analyze and update their security systems on a rolling basis. It's something other vendors (especially in the mobile sector) have been doing: jailbroken phones and e-readers being locked back up with a spoon-fed firmware upgrade that goes out to everyone; it'll be similar.

[Moonraker]

Personally i would not touch any version of windows post windows 7.
To me windows 7 was perfect for my computing needs.However i use linux nowadays and computing has just got better.

[opera1217b1863]

I'm still on winXP-SP3 (masquerade as the "POSReady2009") and I'm happy!
Till some time in 2019 I've no worries...

[Thrawn]

I'm still on winXP-SP3 (masquerade as the "POSReady2009") and I'm happy!
Till some time in 2019 I've no worries...

If you prefer the look and feel of Windows XP, then you might like LXDE, eg in Lubuntu
(or, for a more comprehensive set of preinstalled software, you can install standard Ubuntu and then install the 'lubuntu-desktop' package via the Software Center).

[Moonchild]

What I find interesting is that despite all this pushing by Microsoft, only 4% has left Win7 since Win10 was published. Surely not the kind of figures Microsoft was hoping for ;P

[anachrotech]

Well, I "upgraded" to Win 10. Went through all the settings bs and thought to myself that I'll just use it awhile and see. I decided after a bit of use that I didn't like it...at all. There was nothing there that was "Wow, this is awesome", and add the the concerns over raiding my data, I decided to go back. But, my being a procrastinator at times, I was too late.
It will all turn out okay.... you see, the pc I'm using now my son built 10 years ago, (which is funny as some internet speed test show my machine as above average) and I decided to upgrade. Ordered a new motherboard, memory, CPU, and case. And, most importantly, my Win 7 will be installed.
(I'm not ready to jump into the Linux pool yet)

[TELVM]

Personally i would not touch any version of windows post windows 7 ...

Me neither, but we better check our six because they're hell bent on force-feeding the aberration:

Ars Technica - Windows 10 upgrade installing automatically on some Windows 7, 8 systems

... Ordered a new motherboard, memory, CPU, and case. And, most importantly, my Win 7 will be installed. ...

If it's Skylake stuff, Wintel has got a 'surprise' for you ... Intel Skylake Removes Support for USB based Windows 7 Installation

[anachrotech]

... Ordered a new motherboard, memory, CPU, and case. And, most importantly, my Win 7 will be installed. ...

If it's Skylake stuff, Wintel has got a 'surprise' for you ... Intel Skylake Removes Support for USB based Windows 7 Installation

Not Skylake -I ordered LGA1150, Haswell

[Moonchild]

Re Skylake: Another reason to use AMD

[TwoTankAmin]

What I find interesting is that despite all this pushing by Microsoft, only 4% has left Win7 since Win10 was published.

Well that all depends on how you look at things and from who's point of view. using NetMarketShare data on desktop operating systems you might start in Nov. 2014. They show 0% share for win 10 then. In Dec 2014 it first appears at .06%.

So lets compare share from the month before anybody had 10 with who had what in Sept 2015.

Version-- Nov14--- Sep15 -->Change
Win 7.0-- 56.41 --- 56.53 --> +0.12
Win XP--- 13.57 --- 12.21 --> -1.36
Win 8.1-- 12.10 --- 10.72 --> -1.38
Win 10--- 00.00 --- 06.63 --> +6.63
Mac------- 02.66---- 04.91 --> +2.25
Other---- 15.25---- 09.00 ---> -6.25

Using this longer view it looks like the win 10 share actually came mostly from Other and then from 8.1 and XP and not from Win 7. There was a bump in 7 users between Jan. and July 2015. But then the share settled back to about where it had been in Nov. 2014.

It looks like Microsoft is not yet gaining much traction for 10 with 7 users. Maybe that explains all the issues with 10 related downloads we keep reading about and experiencing? They are aimed directly at 7 users.

[anachrotech]

With all the BS i've been reading lately, I may jump into the Linux pool. Still rather apprehensive. The main reason I've kept Windows, along with apprehension, is I'm still using MS Money 2007. I've exported all the accounts just in case I jump into said pool. I've heard Linux isn't hard, just different. Linux users, convince me. please....I want to get away. (as long as I can run palemoon and a decent home finance software, I'm cool.)

[ron_1]

Off-topic:

anachrotech wrote:
With all the BS i've been reading lately, I may jump into the Linux pool. Still rather apprehensive. The main reason I've kept Windows, along with apprehension, is I'm still using MS Money 2007. I've exported all the accounts just in case I jump into said pool. I've heard Linux isn't hard, just different. Linux users, convince me. please....I want to get away. (as long as I can run palemoon and a decent home finance software, I'm cool.)

If I can use Linux anyone can. As far as home finance software goes, I don't know of any for Linux. (But then again, I've never looked.) You may either have to dual-boot (this is what I do) or use Windows in a VM.

EDIT:

Did a quick search and found this:
http://alternativeto.net/software/microsoft-money/?platform=linux
http://financialsoft.about.com/od/linuxsoftware/tp/Linux_Financial_Software.htm

[anachrotech]

Off-topic:

anachrotech wrote:
With all the BS i've been reading lately, I may jump into the Linux pool. Still rather apprehensive. The main reason I've kept Windows, along with apprehension, is I'm still using MS Money 2007. I've exported all the accounts just in case I jump into said pool. I've heard Linux isn't hard, just different. Linux users, convince me. please....I want to get away. (as long as I can run palemoon and a decent home finance software, I'm cool.)

If I can use Linux anyone can. As far as home finance software goes, I don't know of any for Linux. (But then again, I've never looked.) You may either have to dual-boot (this is what I do) or use Windows in a VM.

EDIT:

Did a quick search and found this:
http://alternativeto.net/software/microsoft-money/?platform=linux
http://financialsoft.about.com/od/linuxsoftware/tp/Linux_Financial_Software.htm

Thank you for that. I think I'll go Linux. Hope I'm not too old to learn something new.

[ron_1]

Off-topic:

anachrotech wrote:
Thank you for that. I think I'll go Linux. Hope I'm not too old to learn something new.

Just make sure you do your homework before installing anything. And backup all your personal files.

[Vultural]

So lets compare share from the month before anybody had 10 with who had what in Sept 2015.

Version-- Nov14--- Sep15 -->Change
Win 7.0-- 56.41 --- 56.53 --> +0.12
Win XP--- 13.57 --- 12.21 --> -1.36
Win 8.1-- 12.10 --- 10.72 --> -1.38
Win 10--- 00.00 --- 06.63 --> +6.63
Mac------- 02.66---- 04.91 --> +2.25
Other---- 15.25---- 09.00 ---> -6.25

I'm probably "other" as I'm still running Vista.

[JodyThornton]

Well, I "upgraded" to Win 10. Went through all the settings bs and thought to myself that I'll just use it awhile and see. I decided after a bit of use that I didn't like it...at all. There was nothing there that was "Wow, this is awesome", and add the the concerns over raiding my data, I decided to go back. But, my being a procrastinator at times, I was too late.
It will all turn out okay.... you see, the pc I'm using now my son built 10 years ago, (which is funny as some internet speed test show my machine as above average) and I decided to upgrade. Ordered a new motherboard, memory, CPU, and case. And, most importantly, my Win 7 will be installed.
(I'm not ready to jump into the Linux pool yet)

Just don't go posting any dislike for Windows 10 at tenforums.com. I was called a troll and even silly for my comments, which I thought were made in a diplomatic and fair manner. ugh! Fan Boys! I really am one of those that says, "Like what you like", you know? But criticism, if fair, should be able to be part of the equation.

[Thrawn]

I've heard Linux isn't hard, just different.

Do you drive a car with automatic or manual transmission?

Manual transmission has an extra layer of things you need to do, namely changing gears a lot. In return, you get it cheaper, typically more rugged, capable of a few more things (eg it's easier to tow), and you have the ability to adjust your driving better to the conditions.

Automatic is point-and-shoot.

That's basically the difference between Linux and Windows.

(We've come a long way from the old days of Linux, which was like double-clutching without synchromesh)

[jumba]

Thinking it from other perspective: Windows with manual transmission is not sold. Linux is perceived as having manual transmission, but there are no constraints why it could not have automatic transmission. With Linux it is in the hands of the user to choose between the automatic and manual transmission.