Less add-ons work with each update

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Re: Less add-ons work with each update

Post by 29 Skidoo » 2017-10-04, 02:31

JoeyG wrote:
faithbuilders wrote:I was able to find an updated YouTube downloader that works with Firefox ESR. It's called Easy Youtube Video Downloader (v 9.12).

It appears to install correctly on PM, but it doesn't work :| .
It worked fantastic for me. Until today.(

Not sure if it's due to a change at Youtube or the Pale Moon update. Seemed to coincide, but I can't be certain -- I was going nuts trying to deal with a slew of browser windows that were invisible, but running. I knew they were running, because I could hear a multitude of Youtube videos playing all at once (after a browser restart, after a browser crash), but I could not pause them, because their browser windows for all intents and purposes did not exist! The Pale Moon "jump list" on the Win10/64 task bar -- as well as the Windows Task Manager -- showed four browser windows, but there were over thirty open when it crashed. (This is the first time I lost any windows after a crash.) It crashed a couple of times today, and I updated to the current version after one of the crashes, but I'm not sure which, ergo, I can't be certain of whether or not it (Youtube Video Downloader) ever worked with the current version of Pale Moon.

After several hours of gruntwork, I was able to retrieve 26 if the invisible browser windows. It was sheer hell, more or less. I would type a letter into the address bar, and then scroll through the dropdown list of suggested URLs, looking for the ones with "Switch to tab" beneath the URL. Every now and then, the selection was on one of the invisible browser windows, and voila, it would display that tab -- after first making the window visible.

There are still a few that I've been unable to retrieve. Maybe if I kept up at it for another week or so I'd get them, but incredibly, I've got other things I still need to get done, argh.

My big fear now is that the next time I restart the browser I'll be back to four windows.

I wish there was a way to view a list of open windows (like the down-arrow to the right of the tabs that displays a list of tabs open in the current window).

I am now using "Complete Youtube Saver" which still works in Pale Moon, but it's a PITA compared to Youtube Video Downloader, which inserts a handy button on the Youtube page, and lets me select the resolution I want. CYS, on the other hand, operates via a toolbar button, from which I have to deal with a submenu, from which I have to wade through a massive list of formats, darn few of which are usable (most of them are split-file format -- video and audio in separate files). It does have an option to save the entire Youtube page -- including as many of the comments as I specify -- which would be nice, if it worked. It does create a page, but when I load it into the browser, it's completely blank.

As an aside, a week or so ago I squandered half a day trying to make Chrome usable. My wife created a new Netflix account for streaming (we live way out in the boonies, and finally got a halfway decent Internet connection -- after cutting down a bunch of trees, and giving a few month's saved "nestegg/emergency-fund" dollars to a wireless company, they mounted an antenna aimed line-of-sight to a tower, and we haven't used our dialup modem since).

Unfortunately, she was unable to get my computer (Using PM) to log in to the new account. However, her efforts did manage to log me out of the old account.

So, I was unable to stream videos, and I was unable to access our DVD queue!

As long as I stayed logged-in to the old account, it worked fine. But it was a one-way turnstile. Exit, OK; Enter, NOT OK!

As this was going on, she and our son had set up a "Chromecast" device, and assured me it'd work fine with my computer, and thus, I'd be able to stream Netflix movies and "cast" them to the television (rather than doing it via a tablet or her laptop). Alas, I could find no way to attempt this using Pale Moon or Firefox. So, I grit my teeth and ran Chrome -- but, for whatever reason, there seems to be no possible way for me to "cast" from a device connected to the router via Ethernet. It works OK with devices connected to the router via WiFi, but not those getting there via wire. Argh...

While wading through that "Slough of Despond" I tried to find a Chrome add-on comparable to Tab Mix Pro -- but it turns out that the control freaks at google have made it impossible for an add-on to tweak the interface! And so, Chrome is forever cursed with a single row of tabs -- which shrink smaller and smaller and smaller as more and more are added to the window!

Apparently, Chrome is targeted at the "lite" user.

Between that, and having google peeking at anything they feel like peeking at, Chrome remains something that will only be used when absolutely necessary -- which thankfully is so rare as to be pretty much never.

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This Youtube Video Downloader nightmare -- not to mention the disappearing windows trick -- has got me completely toasted.

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Re: Less add-ons work with each update

Post by faithbuilders » 2017-10-04, 04:42

Use "Slimjet" It is a Chrome clone that uses all the Chrome addons, but does not spy on you, because its not Google.

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Re: Less add-ons work with each update

Post by 29 Skidoo » 2017-10-06, 23:49

I fixed it!

I had to coerce Youtube to revert to the "old" interface. In order to get Easy Youtube Video Downloader Express to work with the new interface, it's necessary to update EYVDE to "the latest 10.X version" (explained here) -- the problem is, that version will not work with Pale Moon!

There are two things that are necessary: first, you need to revert the add-on to Ver. 9.17 (explained in the link above), and second, you need to revert Youtube to the old interface

Youtube does not make it easy to revert. You need to jump through a couple of hoops, the process is about as non-intuitive as you could imagine, there are no instructions, no breadcrumb trail... they do not seem to want people switching back.

I finally found this short video (about a minute or so), which shows the "secret path" -- I tried it, and it worked.

Some caveats: the add-on vendor advises turning auto-updates off for the add-on (I forgot to do that (in Firefox), and found it unusable after a day!) In theory, this shouldn't be an issue with Pale Moon, since the newer versions are all flagged as incompatible, but, I turned auto-update off anyway. Better safe than sorry. (I'm a "belt and suspenders" type guy. Hey, I'm a retired programmer -- It comes with the territory. <g>)
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Re: Less add-ons work with each update

Post by 29 Skidoo » 2017-10-06, 23:54

faithbuilders wrote:Use "Slimjet" It is a Chrome clone that uses all the Chrome addons, but does not spy on you, because its not Google.
As I explained above, Chrome is unusable for me, thanks to google's controlfreakery which prevents any changes to the interface, which means it's impossible to use Tab Mix Plus or anything like it. As a result, the single line of tabs gets more and more crowded, with each tab smaller and smaller, and in no time at all it's completely unusable.

Since this restriction applies all Chrome-based browsers, Chrome sits in Backburnerland on my machine, only used when absolutely necessary, which for me translates to "just about never."

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