Display issues caused by Pale Moon
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Bluedramon
Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Hello,
Recently, my computer has suffered from a few brief "black outs". Specifically, the monitor would go black before reopening up. In the past, this hadn't been an issue as things resumed normally after. But recently, some odd things had been happening. I thought my integrated graphics card was going bad. I was able to determine that it only happened when trying to load large images. Like... 13,000x14,000 and such. These are the symptoms that occur after the screen's no longer black:
1. Some browsers, such as Chromium, glitch out in appearance. Flickering at the time constantly.
2. Some games suffer from flickering as well. Minetest is one such example. Opening it up and looking at the top left corner, I can see some text that keeps flickering in and out.
3. Some graphics programs, such as Krita, are smeared and are practically unusable. Although some, like Gimp, operate perfectly normal.
4. Some video programs, such as Kdenlive, operate mostly fine, except that the video preview is half black and video does not play.
5. There is absolutely no video playback except on Chromium. I can watch videos in there just fine, save for the flickering of the browser. However, on other browsers, no video. Sound yes, but not video. The same is true for videos on my computer as well.
I've recently determined that the ultimate cause of the issue was Pale Moon. How I found out was: I pretty much loaded the URL with the largescale image that caused an issue before onto other browsers that I have. Absolutely none of them give me the blackout issue. It's only Pale Moon. Also, the issues I describe persist even after closing and reopening the browser. The only thing that fixes it, as far as I was able to gather, is a reboot.
Is there any reason for this? A friend of mine suggested there's some kind of incapatibility somewhere.
Recently, my computer has suffered from a few brief "black outs". Specifically, the monitor would go black before reopening up. In the past, this hadn't been an issue as things resumed normally after. But recently, some odd things had been happening. I thought my integrated graphics card was going bad. I was able to determine that it only happened when trying to load large images. Like... 13,000x14,000 and such. These are the symptoms that occur after the screen's no longer black:
1. Some browsers, such as Chromium, glitch out in appearance. Flickering at the time constantly.
2. Some games suffer from flickering as well. Minetest is one such example. Opening it up and looking at the top left corner, I can see some text that keeps flickering in and out.
3. Some graphics programs, such as Krita, are smeared and are practically unusable. Although some, like Gimp, operate perfectly normal.
4. Some video programs, such as Kdenlive, operate mostly fine, except that the video preview is half black and video does not play.
5. There is absolutely no video playback except on Chromium. I can watch videos in there just fine, save for the flickering of the browser. However, on other browsers, no video. Sound yes, but not video. The same is true for videos on my computer as well.
I've recently determined that the ultimate cause of the issue was Pale Moon. How I found out was: I pretty much loaded the URL with the largescale image that caused an issue before onto other browsers that I have. Absolutely none of them give me the blackout issue. It's only Pale Moon. Also, the issues I describe persist even after closing and reopening the browser. The only thing that fixes it, as far as I was able to gather, is a reboot.
Is there any reason for this? A friend of mine suggested there's some kind of incapatibility somewhere.
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Your 5 item list suggests that you have a system-wide issue, rather than one caused by Pale Moon.
Please work carefully through the steps from the "Read first" Sticky post in this Bug Reports section, run any tests or checks required and also fill in the details asked for: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1996
Please work carefully through the steps from the "Read first" Sticky post in this Bug Reports section, run any tests or checks required and also fill in the details asked for: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1996
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Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
I am gonna assume this is Windows Vista or newer...
This "flickering" as you put can only be one of two things if the above is correct.
1. Your graphics card is running out of video memory and Windows is kicking you out of Composited (Aero Glass) mode and then re-enabling it when it can.
2. Your graphics hardware or drivers are faulty. When the driver crashes because it is faulty in code or because of an unexpected reaction with faulty hardware Windows will attempt to restart the graphics subsystem.
As satrow indicated we do need more information about your system.
This "flickering" as you put can only be one of two things if the above is correct.
1. Your graphics card is running out of video memory and Windows is kicking you out of Composited (Aero Glass) mode and then re-enabling it when it can.
2. Your graphics hardware or drivers are faulty. When the driver crashes because it is faulty in code or because of an unexpected reaction with faulty hardware Windows will attempt to restart the graphics subsystem.
As satrow indicated we do need more information about your system.
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Bluedramon
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Whoops, I had meant to put down info on my system earlier. Looks like I forgot to.
Anyway, I am using Manjaro Linux Minimal Net with an Openbox window manager. My computer is a Dell Inspiron 545s (pretty old). 6 GB of RAM with an integrated Intel graphics card (I think G33 or something like that). 64-bit system.
What I really find odd is how none of the other browsers produce these symptoms. Not Firefox or Opera or Chromium or any of the others. Only Pale Moon blacks out when I try loading a large picture. I do agree that the symptoms indicate something more system wide. What confuses me is why it only happens with Pale Moon.
Anyway, I am using Manjaro Linux Minimal Net with an Openbox window manager. My computer is a Dell Inspiron 545s (pretty old). 6 GB of RAM with an integrated Intel graphics card (I think G33 or something like that). 64-bit system.
What I really find odd is how none of the other browsers produce these symptoms. Not Firefox or Opera or Chromium or any of the others. Only Pale Moon blacks out when I try loading a large picture. I do agree that the symptoms indicate something more system wide. What confuses me is why it only happens with Pale Moon.
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Sounds like a TDR issue:
http://http.developer.nvidia.com/Nsight ... covery.htm
Try disabling Hardware Acceleration in Pale Moon from here:
Tools > Options > Advanced > General > Browsing > Use hardware acceleration when available
http://http.developer.nvidia.com/Nsight ... covery.htm
Try disabling Hardware Acceleration in Pale Moon from here:
Tools > Options > Advanced > General > Browsing > Use hardware acceleration when available
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Bluedramon
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
I just tried it out. I disabled the hardware acceleration and then repeated my actions from before. Nothing has changed. It still gives me the issue from before.
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Well, did you restart Pale Moon after changing the setting, or did you just leave it running all the time?Bluedramon wrote:It still gives me the issue from before.
Also, if you're using Flash Player, you should be aware that it has got its own setting for Hardware Acceleration..
To disable it, right click on Flash's video window, click on 'Settings', and uncheck "Enable hardware acceleration" under the 'Display' tab.
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
I agree that it does look a lot like a TDR issue, there's a lot of info in troubleshooting the issue in Windows here.
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
FWIW, I am seeing the blacked out videos (with sound) in PM as well. On my (linux) systems, this is connected to the recent upgrade to 26.4.1, i.e. the regression to gst 0.1. This happens only with HTML5, not when using Flash.
(Weirdly, this only happen on those PCs that uses the current Nvidia driver (367.44), even though they have gst 0.1 install; not those PCs using an Nvidia legacy driver (sorry, forget which version)).
CJ
(Weirdly, this only happen on those PCs that uses the current Nvidia driver (367.44), even though they have gst 0.1 install; not those PCs using an Nvidia legacy driver (sorry, forget which version)).
CJ
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
Well, that ties in nicely with the info from my previous link (highlighted):
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Best advice that I've seen about this error (from here: BSOD - Windows 7 Help Forums )
If playing with video driver versions hasn't helped, make sure the box is not overheating. Try removing a side panel and aiming a big mains fan straight at the motherboard and GPU. Run it like that for a few hours or days - long enough to ascertain whether cooler temperatures make a difference. If so, it might be as simple as dust buildup and subsequently inadequate cooling." - H2SO4
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Bluedramon
Re: Display issues caused by Pale Moon
I did try it again, this time closing ou tof Pale Moon first and then reloading it up. The same issue occurs.



