Windows 11 still sucks.

[UCyborg]

Why do they keep messing with shell / Explorer? The need for 3rd party software to undo MS' nonsense is still great and it's getting less effective. I have ExplorerPatcher on Win11 23H2 and despite bringing back old taskbar, compatible with 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, it's no longer possible to drop files on taskbar buttons.

Why do we still have settings in two places? Why moving window to another monitor with a key combo no longer keeps relative position from previous monitor? Why did they completely obliterate possibility to render proper window borders? What's the point of new scrollbars with fading buttons and thinning scroller? What were they changing in DirectMusic library? It broke music in one old game from 1999, where it worked fine ever since released...they changed something regarding handling certain RIFF chunks in a way that it doesn't handle empty chunks anymore and craps out unlike the old version.

Why is limitation with shell icon overlay identifiers still a thing? Why don't they make a version of Windows that's actually worth buying for a change?

[frostknight]

Why don't they make a version of Windows that's actually worth buying for a change?

I think they want to get people to buy their 365 version which is a subscription based service.

i don't know if this is true or how true it is, but I have heard that rumor going around.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

[UCyborg]

365 is an Office thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_365

[Potkeny]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365

There is windows 365 too, not just microsoft 365. Because clear naming is not needed.

[moonbat]

Windows 365 is just the inevitable move to a subscription based OS, currently only for corporates and govt organizations. Expect the end user rollout soon, together with the existing locally installed and activated version being deprecated.

[LuftWafflePilot]

I don't know, if the OS was perfect with no bullshit, ads and whatever, I guess I might not have a problem with reasonably cheap subscription, but that's not going to happen with Microsoft (the perfect part ).

[Moonchild]

The thing is, by far most of the Windows installation are OEM installations. You can't easily sell someone an OEM PC that has a subscription attached right away. So aside from the DIY market, I don't think key/license purchase will ever go away.

[Giraffe]

Reading this thread helped me to come to a decision. I'm about to order a new, pre-built, PC

https://www.cclonline.com/ccl-8600g-twr ... mmary=true

and will have it with no OS. I now have an ISO of W10 64-bit Enterprise LTSC 2021 - it is, AIUI, the latest available, so some selective updating will be needed. Just need a key for it.

[frostknight]

The thing is, by far most of the Windows installation are OEM installations. You can't easily sell someone an OEM PC that has a subscription attached right away. So aside from the DIY market, I don't think key/license purchase will ever go away.

Off-topic:
I gotta admit though, I still have trouble understanding why some people way buy a 1000$+ windows computer and especially 2000$+

If it get ransomware it becomes a brick.

The chances of this happening on linux are 1% or less by comparison.

I understand I am in the minority on your forum, But yeah...

In any case, on topic though I wonder if people will reject subscription based windows if its pushed on consumers.

I tend to think even as dumb as society has gotten, people will see through such bs still. I hope I am not being too optimistic

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
I gotta admit though, I still have trouble understanding why some people way buy a 1000$+ windows computer and especially 2000$+

If it get ransomware it becomes a brick.

Off-topic:
Maybe modern gaming...it can get expensive.

I also hear there are still people out there that buy new computer simply because they're not very bright, they're easily fooled by apparent performance gains, even though the real reason their old computer was under-performing was the crap they got on it from the internet.

I tend to think even as dumb as society has gotten, people will see through such bs still. I hope I am not being too optimistic

I think you are.

[Gemmaugr]

In any case, on topic though I wonder if people will reject subscription based windows if its pushed on consumers.

I tend to think even as dumb as society has gotten, people will see through such bs still. I hope I am not being too optimistic

Did people reject subscription-based gaming? Did people reject subscription-based music? Did people reject subscription-based movies? Did people reject subscription-based audio/e-books? Did people reject subscription-based programs (anti-virus, office, etc)?

[frostknight]

I think you are.

Well unless windows requires you to always be online someday to use it.

That I think would be a bridge too far for even the dumbest people on the planet.

Off-topic:
And when I say a bridge too far, I am not talking about Chris Christie.

[frostknight]

Did people reject subscription-based gaming? Did people reject subscription-based music? Did people reject subscription-based movies? Did people reject subscription-based audio/e-books? Did people reject subscription-based programs (anti-virus, office, etc)?

Fair point, you have a good point.

Someone however mentioned some weird rumor about microsoft wanting you to need to always be online to use it for future windows versions as possibility.

That would get huge backlash even from dumbasses

[Moonchild]

Someone however mentioned some weird rumor about microsoft wanting you to need to always be online to use it for future windows versions as possibility.

That's already the case if you use a Microsoft account to log in to Windows (the default for Win 11)

[back2themoon]

Off-topic:

I gotta admit though, I still have trouble understanding why some people way buy a 1000$+ windows computer and especially 2000$+ - If it get ransomware it becomes a brick.

How? Isn't a simple image restore enough to un-brick it?

[frostknight]

That's already the case if you use a Microsoft account to log in to Windows (the default for Win 11)

What happens then if you are in a location without a connection then?

That's bad...

Wonder if that is stopping windows 11 adoption at all

How? Isn't a simple image restore enough to un-brick it?

Dunno, if ransomware is that easy to bypass

[Moonchild]

Dunno, if ransomware is that easy to bypass

I'm afraid you need to temper your expectations a little
It's both easier to restore a Windows system from a ransomware attack (just restore from image or backup) and easier for a Linux system to fall prey to ransomware as well than you imagine.
Since ransomware operates in userspace and manipulates user-facing/accessible data, there's nothing specific Linux would protect you with. The fact that it's less common because of the much much smaller target audience on Linux (and ransomware threat actors just don't bother) doesn't mean it's somehow technically harder.

[frostknight]

I'm afraid you need to temper your expectations a little
It's both easier to restore a Windows system from a ransomware attack (just restore from image or backup) and easier for a Linux system to fall prey to ransomware as well than you imagine.

Off-topic:
You sure about that? I mean I could understand maybe distros with a lot of bloatware like systemd to be this way but even then, most of it is libre software so... its open for anyone to modify.

Off-topic:
Also, linux has many layers of blocking. I find what you say to make no sense to be honest.

Off-topic:
I could understand windows recovering from a ransomware attack being possible, but not as easily as a linux system.

It just sounds outlandish. Even with wine, I haven't heard of users getting malware even using that.

Unless they make wine root of course.

That would be a nono.

Its possible though you know something I don't. I am just not sure is all.

If this were true though, I am sure supercomputers and microsoft's own server's would run windows server package.

And microsoft wouldnt have based azure on ubuntu. Well,your thoughts?

[Moonchild]

Off-topic:

You sure about that? I mean I could understand maybe distros with a lot of bloatware like systemd to be this way

Yes.
Your "layers of protection" will do nothing if you run a piece of malware in your user account (which is generally what ransomware does). Your user account has access to your user data which is what is at risk here. There are no barriers to overcome.
But you can make up your own mind - I'm not here to try and convince you; I just suggest you are more cautious about assuming Linux is a security bastion when it comes to ransomware. In my experience it absolutely is not, despite its protections against system-level invasion.

[frostknight]

Yes.
Your "layers of protection" will do nothing if you run a piece of malware in your user account (which is generally what ransomware does). Your user account has access to your user data which is what is at risk here. There are no barriers to overcome.

Tha

Off-topic:
nkfully I try to avoid stuff like systemd as much as possible. Aka, I don't use systemd.

There are no barriers to overcome.
But you can make up your own mind - I'm not here to try and convince you; I just suggest you are more cautious about assuming Linux is a security bastion when it comes to ransomware. In my experience it absolutely is not, despite its protections against system-level invasion.

Off-topic:
There is no silver bullet for sure. I just know microsoft and other big tech giants run linux on their servers, which is a sign it must be decently secure. That being said, nothing is immune 100%