after new patch "hide caption titlebar plus" extension doesnt work properly

[MrAccident]

Solution: what worked for me ― is in the extension "Tab Mix Plus" - to move Tab-Bar position to the bottom (may require a restart). Takes getting used to, but possible to keep "Hide Caption Titlebar Plus".

Moonchild - you mean the version of "Hide Caption Titlebar Plus"? I had 2.something; now switched to 4.1.1 from Classic Addons Archive 2.0.2. The issue is in both. It also seems that not only the Tabs-Bar was invisible ― but also opening new tabs - didn't show their content, and even a menu from the menu-button was hidden below the only visible bar, while the part on it - visible.

[Lootyhoof]

Can someone please tell me the extension id of this (and the latest version to cause issues) so I can make sure to warn people about known problems with it?

The ID is hidecaptionplus-dp@dummy.addons.mozilla.org. I don't see any issues though personally, though that's from a quick glance.

Honestly, looking at this add-on the code is such an absolute mess. I don't envy anyone that dares inspect it. That said though, with some minor adjustments in version 2.8.6 (in avoidance of people just patching for their own sake I won't mention what here, please do properly fork if you want to help!) you do get a nice add-on that seems to work reasonably well in both Pale Moon and Basilisk. That version is even a true overlay add-on. Plus it does seem to perform some magic such that it can use a custom titlebar on Linux (as do later versions it seems too).

[billmcct]

I am using "Hide Caption Titlebar Plus 2.8.7rc" which is not in the CAA. I downloaded it from his support site years ago.
The only problem I had with the extension, was that it would overlay the titlebar text onto the buttons I have on the Menu bar. A CSS trick fixed that. The problem that folks are having with the Tabs bar disappearing is another matter.
I suspect another add-on.

[riiis]

"Hide Caption Titlebar Plus" views Pale Moon 29 as Firefox 29. Thus, the Australis UI is erroneously loaded. To fix, the extension's chrome.manifest file needs to be changed. For example, change lines 3 to 5 of chrome.manifest from:

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# *** SEPARATE Manifests *** for AUSTRALIS (Fx29+) and Fx28-
manifest   chrome/fx4/fx4.manifest                  appversion<29
manifest   chrome/australis/australis.manifest      appversion>=29

Change to:

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# *** SEPARATE Manifests *** for Pale Moon and Basilisk-
manifest   chrome/fx4/fx4.manifest                   application={8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4} 
manifest   chrome/australis/australis.manifest       application={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}  

Additionally, Pale Moon 29 requires that Pale Moon be listed as a target application in the extension's install.rdf file, such as:

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      <!-- Pale Moon -->
    <em:targetApplication>
      <Description>
        <em:id>{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}</em:id>
        <em:minVersion>28.0</em:minVersion>
        <em:maxVersion>29.*</em:maxVersion>
      </Description>
    </em:targetApplication> 
      <!-- Basilisk -->
    <em:targetApplication>
      <Description>
        <em:id>{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}</em:id>
        <em:minVersion>52.0</em:minVersion>
        <em:maxVersion>*</em:maxVersion>
      </Description>
	</em:targetApplication> -->

The changes above are a quick fix for individual use. To fork this extension properly, more changes would appear needed and appropriate.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Stop. I had hoped you wouldn't fall back to your bullshit of ignoring the proper recommendations to not half-ass and selfishly localhack extensions instead of properly forking and sharing them for everyone's benefit.

But I suppose hoping for constructive cooperation from someone who, in today's vernacular, tried to cancel me in 2016 was too much to dream of.

Why don't you focus on your own extensions. Big changes are coming and you have work to do.

[Moonchild]

Thanks lootyhoof. blocklist entry added.

[riiis]

The latest CA-Archive version of Hide Caption Titlebar Plus (version 4.1.1) appears to work, out-of-the-box, in the latest version of Pale Moon (version 29.0.1).

This is in Windows 10. I don't know if Hide Caption Titlebar Plus (version 4.1.1) will work in Linux, or with prior version of Pale Moon 29.0.0.

hidecaptiontitlebar.jpg

[billmcct]

That has to be set in HCTPs options.
Unless set in options the close X will close tabs.

[riiis]

That has to be set in HCTPs options.
Unless set in options the close X will close tabs.

Thanks. I changed the close X option to the default. The add-on now functions just fine.

[billmcct]

I don't know what was changed in 29.0.1 but it fixed my original HCTP and both LiveClick and LiveClick Lunar.
Don't know if it had any effect on Tree Style Tabs.

[__NM64__]

AFAICT the versions that predate Firefox 29 support, such as extension version 2.7.3.1 and version 2.7.2.1, "just work" in Pale Moon 29 in the exact same way that the slightly-newer 2.8.7rc "just worked" in Pale Moon 28 - no modification required.

Interestingly, despite 2.7.3.1 listed as being specifically for Windows, it seems to actually work on my installation of Linux Mint 18.3 without issue. Similarly, the extension file name for 2.7.2.1 lists it as being specifically for Windows, but the (archived) webpage listing for 2.7.2.1 is not listed as being only for Windows and it too seems to work perfectly fine on Linux Mint 18.3.

Thanks lootyhoof. blocklist entry added.

I don't suppose there's a way for Pale Moon's extension blocklist to only block specific versions of the extension?

I had version 2.7.2.1 installed on the aforementioned Linux Mint 18.3 PC (which is basically just a basic browsing and email PC used by my elderly parents) and by pure dumb luck discovered that it had gotten disabled at some point. When I previously tested Pale Moon v29.0.0 on that PC, I specifically noticed that 2.8.7rc was borking things up and therefore intentionally downgraded the extension to 2.7.2.1, resulting in things once again working as they were in Pale Moon 28 (I've since manually upgraded the extension to version 2.7.3.1, and things continued to seemingly work fine).

I had the extension blocklist setting set to "Low", yet even that seemed to have resulted in the extension getting disabled (which I also double-checked and confirmed via testing with a separate copy of Pale Moon). I really don't want to have the extension blocklist setting set to "Off" just to have it not disable the seemingly-working version 2.7.2.1 or version 2.7.3.1 due to newer versions of the extension borking things out.

[Moonchild]

I don't suppose there's a way for Pale Moon's extension blocklist to only block specific versions of the extension?

There is, but there is simply no time to test every version on every OS, and I've just added it as level 1 meaning you will be informed that the extension is known to cause problems, use with caution.

[billmcct]

Actually any version above Version "2.7.3.1-signed (windows)" (and don't know why it's designated windows cause it is like all previous versions and works in Linux) has Australis added. The 2.8.7rc version I use works fine though, with the exception of the warning.

[__NM64__]

The 2.8.7rc version I use works fine though, with the exception of the warning.

I myself had been using 2.8.7rc on Pale Moon 28, but the issue I found was that, because it treats Pale Moon 29 as Firefox 29, it's not possible to have a functioning "Pale Moon" button like you have in stock Pale Moon when the menu bar is set to not be visible - it forces the according setting for showing the Pale Moon button to "never" (which you can confirm via about:config - the according setting should be the only one with "fx4" in the name).

Simply using a version of the extension that predates Firefox 29 avoids that, allowing for the same functioning visibility setting for the Pale Moon button experienced with Pale Moon 28.

But yes, technically other than that, 2.8.7rc does work on Pale Moon 29, but for me the entire reason I was using the extension in the first place was so that I could achieve the "tabs in title bar on a maximized window with a Pale Moon button" appearance on Linux (I'm referring specifically to the GUI appearance that debuted back with Firefox 4 on Windows)

[Gumboots]

Just got the warning about this. HCTP 4.1.1 is still working without issues for me, on a Windows 10 box, but I'll keep an eye on it. I'll use it as long as I can, because my current setup suits me perfectly, but if it stops working I'll look at the alternative of Compact Moon combined its Options Menu.

A window title is essential.

I'm not advocating the elimination of the titlebar, only an option to hide it.
It's a matter of elegance and functionality: to have only the necessary showing at a given time. I manage to only have two bars at the top and that gives me both a clean look and monitor real estate.

Obviously it's personal preference, but I agree with this. Tab titles are perfectly adequate for me, and IMO the default title bar is just an ugly waste of screen space. It would be nice to have disabling the title bar as a default option, but that's not my call. It might be possible to do something with a custom userChrome.css if HCTP becomes non-viable. You can do a lot of things with a bit of CSS.

[moonbat]

You can do a lot of things with a bit of CSS.

Getting rid of the window title that is set by the OS window manager on every application window is not one of them.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

He is talking about the fake window title (which Firefox didn't have) in the fake titlebar when Pale Moon fakes the window frame on Windows when the AppMenu is used as a filthy custom ui hack that shouldn't exist (which is default on Windows).

Please try and consider the context, Moonbat.

[moonbat]

Ah well, it goes back to the UI hijinx introduced with Firefox 4, AppMenu and the like. Wouldn't have had to do all this and remained with a simple menubar like Firefox 3.6 if not for the appmenu, but well.

[riiis]

Titlebar Tool, an alternative to the "Hide Caption Titlebar Plus" extension in MS Windows, is now available at APMO. Titlebar Tool hides the titlebar caption, makes the titlebar a bit thinner, and makes the appmenu button smaller and movable.

titlebar.png

For displaying the Pale Moon appmenu, the Hamburger Menu-Button extension can be used to replace the Titlebar Tool appmenu button with a movable hamburger-style button.

hamburger.png

Note that in MS Windows, pressing the "Alt" key, in Pale Moon, opens the Pale Moon "Menu Bar". With Titlebar Tool enabled, "Tabs on Top", and a normal non-maximized window-- unfortunately, this combination results in the Pale Moon "Menu Bar" partially overlapping the Tabs Bar. Note that this temporary but overlapping Pale Moon "Menu Bar" should still be usable. If not, maximize the Pale Moon active window, before pressing the "Alt" key. Or, use the shortcut keys to open the "Menu Bar" sub-menus directly ("Alt + F" for the "File" menu, "Alt + T" for the "Tools" menu, etc.).

[Marcus]

Any chance of having this extension on Linux?