What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
^ That's OK -- and totally understandable. You're time is certainly very valuable! (at least I'll maybe get the last word this way -- that's just a bit of humor on my part, so please do not be offended )
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
But Mozilla will remove that stuff by the end of the year.
But nevertheless, it's what there is.
So are there plans to mirror that material?
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
If someone can make a functional mirror of it, I'll happily host it.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
There is no such thing as a functional mirror. Even with the MDN dump I have which they don't offer dumps any anymore.. It can't just be put up on the web and function. I believe that the 2016 dump of mdn I have is sufficient for all our needs.. The issue is extracting and translating it because it is marked up with syntax that only a functioning mdn software of the time would understand.. etc.
So in any event, it would not ALL be lost and since most of the xul and api shit is perpetually out of date anyway.. Doesn't really matter it is a few months before ESR52 happened. Especially the XUL parts.
I would argue MDN info TODAY is less useful cause of losses, rewrites, and infections. And yeah, I will get to it.. Soon.
So in any event, it would not ALL be lost and since most of the xul and api shit is perpetually out of date anyway.. Doesn't really matter it is a few months before ESR52 happened. Especially the XUL parts.
I would argue MDN info TODAY is less useful cause of losses, rewrites, and infections. And yeah, I will get to it.. Soon.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
Bless you, Tobin
Any SDK needs up to date and decent documentation if it is to survive, yet despite that there were 20k extensions over the years due to the enthusiasm of extension developers despite their permanently incomplete docs (even the tutorials they have were contributed by 3rd parties such as XULPlanet). A cursory look at their WebExtensions documentation when I accidentally found a page relevant for that shows that even today there's stuff marked 'to do'. Amazing how with all their revenue they can't be bothered to hire a few decent technical writers and include documentation updates as part of the release cycle. Then again if you're churning out releases every couple of weeks like an Energizer bunny amped up on meth, that doesn't make for stable software that anyone else can code against.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
That's great. Thank you.New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2020-07-28, 16:40I believe that the 2016 dump of mdn I have is sufficient for all our needs.. The issue is extracting and translating it because it is marked up with syntax that only a functioning mdn software of the time would understand.. etc.
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And yeah, I will get to it.. Soon.
Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
The subset for XUL widgets and development is the top priority.. Really most other things can be gleamed by-example.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I do have somewhat complete docsets for XUL, XSLT, and pre-madness CSS and HTML.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
Feel free to send them to me at some point that isn't directly after you read this post.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
For everyone's benefit. These are Zeal compatible.New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2020-07-28, 18:46Feel free to send them to me at some point that isn't directly after you read this post.
http://archive.palemoon.org/contrib/docsets/
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I'm guessing that "Zeal" is this: https://zealdocs.org/ ?
Are these docs intended in addition to the hopefully forthcoming mirror?
Or in lieu of?
Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I am not creating a mirror. Though for some aspects it may appear as one initally.. I intend on creating a functioning and relevant resource for all of UXP-kind. It will take a while and I will need your help in doing it. Good news is, I already have the software for it worked out as well as simple method of contributing and quality control.
I will let you know in the near future. THERE IS ONLY XUL!
I will let you know in the near future. THERE IS ONLY XUL!
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I volunteer. Do let me know how I can help, or better, when would be a good time to reach out to you on IRC.New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2020-08-01, 23:51I intend on creating a functioning and relevant resource for all of UXP-kind. It will take a while and I will need your help in doing it.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
What kind of resource?New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2020-08-01, 23:51I am not creating a mirror. Though for some aspects it may appear as one initally.. I intend on creating a functioning and relevant resource for all of UXP-kind.
Meant to do what?
Will this "resource" provide the documentation to support individuals learning, such that they can fully understand the code in some given extension they wish to fork?
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I'm sorry that you don't wish to answer the question.
Certainly I can't force you to answer, but I had hoped you would choose to.
I have doubts - or else I wouldn't have asked what I did.
> I am not creating a mirror. Though for some aspects it may appear as one initally.
What does this mean?
Are you preserving what remains of the MDN classic extension documentation and making it available to all?
Or not?
Because It's not at all clear to me from your earlier post that you are doing that.
Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
Guess neither a mirror or what I plan to do would serve you very well by the looks of it. What a disappointment.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
Or, y'know, relax and wait to see what is created.
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Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
Me personally...?New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2020-08-02, 12:48Guess neither a mirror or what I plan to do would serve you very well by the looks of it.
A mirror would suit me just fine. If I chose to use it.
You clearly have the resources to make one available. I'm sorry that you are not willing to do it.
As for what you have planned, you have not shared what that is.
So long as it's a secret, it's pretty hard to know what to think of it or say about it.
I wish that you would explain specifically what you have in mind to do.
(Edit: Sorry Moonchild, missed your post.)
Re: What percentage of world-wide browser users actually perform add-on coding?
I will subsidize this course of action by snatching the big archive to limit the worst-case scenario
I assume that the most helpful CoA from there (assuming my plea to Mozilla's web guys goes entirely unheard) will be to begin looking into to how to clean up the files, and isolate just the relevant ones?