All of my special "general.useragent" strings have the previously reported "%OS_SLICE%" anomaly.
28.9.0 and YouTube
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Last edited by LAR Grizzly on 2020-03-24, 18:35, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
I'm on Windows 10 64 bit running PM 28.9 64 bit and all but three of my 'general.useragent.override' entries contain the OS_SLICE text. Two of those are ones I edited manually and the other is web.whatsapp.com.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
%OS_SLICE% is not an anomaly. It was put there on purpose instead of a build-time hard-coded OS version, but there's something wrong with the code that replaces it.
We're looking into it. For the time being there are overrides in place that the browser will get dynamically from our servers (also a new feature as of this version), but it may take time for that to kick in since we don't have that on fast timers.
You should be able to force an update by going to about:config, then first right-clicking and resetting the preference general.useragent.updates.lastupdated
Then -temporarily- setting general.useragent.updates.interval to "60" until the pref you just reset is filled with a value again, and then restoring the default for the interval pref (to not hammer our server with update requests).
Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll have an update for affected operating systems once we figure out the exact nature of the problem and patch for it.
We're looking into it. For the time being there are overrides in place that the browser will get dynamically from our servers (also a new feature as of this version), but it may take time for that to kick in since we don't have that on fast timers.
You should be able to force an update by going to about:config, then first right-clicking and resetting the preference general.useragent.updates.lastupdated
Then -temporarily- setting general.useragent.updates.interval to "60" until the pref you just reset is filled with a value again, and then restoring the default for the interval pref (to not hammer our server with update requests).
Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll have an update for affected operating systems once we figure out the exact nature of the problem and patch for it.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
OK. I understand. I'll wait for the point release. Thanks Moonchild.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Mine, too.LAR Grizzly wrote: ↑2020-03-24, 18:23All of my special "general.useragent" strings have the previously reported "%OS_SLICE%" anomaly.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
I'll be like everyone else and just wait for the point release update for both linux and windows Pale Moon. If I have to spend a lot of time on YouTube (two or more hours at a time), since my eyes like YouTube's dark version for their new interface, I'll just use linux and windows Firefox, for the time being, depending on what operating system I'm using for YouTube at that time.
When the Pale Moon point release is made, then I'll switch back to linux and windows Pale Moon for YouTube.
When the Pale Moon point release is made, then I'll switch back to linux and windows Pale Moon for YouTube.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
The point release, PM 28.9.0.1, has fixed my issues with YouTube. Thanks Moonchild!
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Still happening for me where the old layout is used, not the new. Windows 10, using 64 bit. SHould there be a specific UA override for YouTube? I removed what I had there and still the same.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
It shouldn't still happening with 28.9.0.1 because that literally has the relevant changes reverted to what it was before...
Are you sure it's not something else interfering here that causes issues? can you use the web developer tools to check the request sent to YouTube and see which useragent string is being sent?
(go to network, clear the display, then navigate to www.youtube.com, and check a request to the domain, under "request headers")
Are you sure it's not something else interfering here that causes issues? can you use the web developer tools to check the request sent to YouTube and see which useragent string is being sent?
(go to network, clear the display, then navigate to www.youtube.com, and check a request to the domain, under "request headers")
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Ok, I had this issue too when upgrading from 28.9.0 to 28.9.0.1. Suddenly youtube went back to the old layout.
Went through my settings... I'd been using an override agent for youtube for ages. Suddenly it seemed to have no effect. So I started the whole troubleshooting deal.
After an hour or so of disabling all extensions (no effect), testing safe mode (no effect), resetting all preferences (that worked), then narrowing things down, it came to one setting:
layers.acceleration.disabled = true
Keep in mind I've been using Palemoon a *very* long time, so this setting seems to have been deprecated at some point and in fact no longer exists. But, resetting it (or just removing it in prefs.js) allowed youtube.com to load with the new layout and no extra UA override required. Interestingly there is a layers.accelerated.enabled=true setting nowdays which obviously directly conflicts with the old one.
So yeah... no idea whatever you changed in the point release would cause this ancient setting to affect anything, but after narrowing it down with a copy of my profile on portable, I made that change -and only that change- to my main profile, and now it works.
Went through my settings... I'd been using an override agent for youtube for ages. Suddenly it seemed to have no effect. So I started the whole troubleshooting deal.
After an hour or so of disabling all extensions (no effect), testing safe mode (no effect), resetting all preferences (that worked), then narrowing things down, it came to one setting:
layers.acceleration.disabled = true
Keep in mind I've been using Palemoon a *very* long time, so this setting seems to have been deprecated at some point and in fact no longer exists. But, resetting it (or just removing it in prefs.js) allowed youtube.com to load with the new layout and no extra UA override required. Interestingly there is a layers.accelerated.enabled=true setting nowdays which obviously directly conflicts with the old one.
So yeah... no idea whatever you changed in the point release would cause this ancient setting to affect anything, but after narrowing it down with a copy of my profile on portable, I made that change -and only that change- to my main profile, and now it works.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
The layers.acceleration pref is causing issues, but -should- have been removed during upgrade, and there shouldn't be any further use of it either (the pref was one of the things changed in 28.9.0's development).
Since there doesn't seem to be any further use of the pref, there's no indication why it would influence anything, so it's a bit of a conundrum. I also can't reproduce any problems when manually setting the old pref in my configuration.
See Issue #1495 (UXP)
If anyone has this issue could you please check the browser's error console?
Since there doesn't seem to be any further use of the pref, there's no indication why it would influence anything, so it's a bit of a conundrum. I also can't reproduce any problems when manually setting the old pref in my configuration.
See Issue #1495 (UXP)
If anyone has this issue could you please check the browser's error console?
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Yeah I can't recreate the problem by going the other way either, starting with a blank profile and then putting in that pref. It's possible that one of the later changed prefs could be affecting it in combination, I was going through deleting/resetting things in order and stopped when I got a successful page display hehe..
I can send you my prefs.js file if you want to play around.
I can send you my prefs.js file if you want to play around.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Part of this issue probably lays with YouTube itself, and its somewhat inconsistent UA detection.
I'm still using the old UA override, which gives me the classic YT interface (will use it for as long as it works), and block the yellow warning banner with the following adblock rule:
However, every once in a while, I get the new interface regardlessly, and lately this seems to happen way more frequently!
Simply restarting Pale Moon (and thereby deleting all cookies, cache, etc., which I've configured it to do), fixes the problem at my end.
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I'm still using the old UA override, which gives me the classic YT interface (will use it for as long as it works), and block the yellow warning banner with the following adblock rule:
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youtube.com###old-browser-alert
Simply restarting Pale Moon (and thereby deleting all cookies, cache, etc., which I've configured it to do), fixes the problem at my end.
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Off-topic:
On a side note, Google recently introduced some changes to YT's ad system.
Both EasyList and AdBlock are still fine-tuning their rules to work around some minor quirks, related to adblocking:
https://github.com/easylist/easylist/issues/5112
https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardF ... sues/51070
On a side note, Google recently introduced some changes to YT's ad system.
Both EasyList and AdBlock are still fine-tuning their rules to work around some minor quirks, related to adblocking:
https://github.com/easylist/easylist/issues/5112
https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardF ... sues/51070
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Looks like I found the reason: one small typo and a bunch of problems
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
I can now verify that with the following settings and "Use hardware acceleration when available" checked, when I use the "normal" UA, I get the new YouTube layout and NO yellow banner.
This holds for both 28.9.0.1 and 29.0.0a2.
This holds for both 28.9.0.1 and 29.0.0a2.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Okay, not sure if this is what did it but I reset layers.acceleration.disabled = true and added the override UA
then removed all YouTube cookies and restarted Pale Moon and it finally switched to the new layout! Back to the dark theme for me, much better on the eyes!
However, my YouTube override string is no longer in bold, what does that mean? As long as it works, I don't care, but it used to be bold.
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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
However, my YouTube override string is no longer in bold, what does that mean? As long as it works, I don't care, but it used to be bold.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
For those interested, here's the technical explanation of what JustOff and myself found out in parallel caused by a typo. Yes, one small typo in the browser's glue code (that binds everything together) can cause a lot of trouble...
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
I'm going to add my two cents in here.
I just created a clean new profile in all of my linux Mint and Windows 7 hard drives for Pale Moon 28.9.0.1 and YouTube with it's new interface (and dark theme) is working again for me.
Of course, I had to put back all of my bookmarks back along with some customizations I had for both linux and windows Pale Moon, but I don't mind. With this COVID-19 virus keeping me sequestered in my home, it gives me something to do to break the monotony.
A clean profile is good every now and then.
I just created a clean new profile in all of my linux Mint and Windows 7 hard drives for Pale Moon 28.9.0.1 and YouTube with it's new interface (and dark theme) is working again for me.
Of course, I had to put back all of my bookmarks back along with some customizations I had for both linux and windows Pale Moon, but I don't mind. With this COVID-19 virus keeping me sequestered in my home, it gives me something to do to break the monotony.
A clean profile is good every now and then.
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Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
That may be true, but it's not an option for me. I have been using Pale Moon for so long, all of my history is in my profile and I'm afraid to ever change or wipe that.
Re: 28.9.0 and YouTube
Btw, now that the main reason has been found, I have to say that my error with SSUAO on Linux was not really the cause of the problems with YouTube. As it turned out, it works just fine without the presence of X11 in the user agent string. This does not reduce my guilt for this flaw, though. I will try my best to have the revised version of SSUAO optimization re-introduced in the next Pale Moon release.