uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Night Wing » 2019-12-16, 22:03

Thank you, JustOff. :thumbup:
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-12-16, 22:28

Not that I am happy about the situation with ublock.. existing.. At least you guys are taking up some form of responsibility for it which is a fantastic start. So good on all of you.

Maybe one of you can get God-Emperor Gorhill's permission to officially submit the extension to the Add-ons Site on his behalf and render the companion extension unnecessary at some point in the future.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonraker » 2019-12-16, 22:32

Upon research it would seem UBO may be seriously hindered in chromium based browsers and gorhill has been cited as saying that UBO users may have to use alternative browsers,So the legacy version can still be a viable option.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by moonbat » 2019-12-16, 23:44

Moonraker wrote:
2019-12-16, 22:32
So the legacy version can still be a viable option.
Only for users of 'legacy' browsers, meaning us. I doubt gorhill will return to working on this if tomorrow Google makes it impossible to block ads on Chrome.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by 90Obadiah » 2019-12-16, 23:53

JustOff wrote:
2019-12-16, 18:55
Meanwhile, the nested "!#include" issue has been fixed in uBlock 1.16.4.12 :coffee:
Thank you for your prompt action JustOff. much appreciated.
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2019-12-16, 22:32
Upon research it would seem UBO may be seriously hindered in chromium based browsers and gorhill has been cited as saying that UBO users may have to use alternative browsers,So the legacy version can still be a viable option.
By alternative browsers he means the firefox due to the webext API `dns` and it's ability to uncloak CNAME records. and of course the fact that mozilla won't follow the proposed Manifest v3
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by doofy » 2019-12-16, 23:58

moonbat wrote:
2019-12-16, 23:44
The DownThemAll developer too posted a rant about being 'done' with Mozilla after the extensions apocalypse, only to meekly return with a WebExtension version, which is described as being limited compared to its XUL predecessor on its addon page.
What is the connection between the dta dev and gorhill?

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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by moonbat » 2019-12-17, 01:14

That they know which side of the bread is buttered, and it sure isn't Pale Moon. At least gorhill as far as I know didn't rage quit and then return.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-12-17, 02:00

moonbat wrote:
2019-12-17, 01:14
At least gorhill as far as I know didn't rage quit and then return.
He is way too non-commital for that.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by 90Obadiah » 2019-12-17, 07:03

moonbat wrote:
2019-12-17, 01:14
At least gorhill as far as I know didn't rage quit and then return.
He did (sans rage) quit and then returned though
https://github.com/uBlock-LLC/uBlock/co ... t-10530773

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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonraker » 2019-12-17, 08:06

and of course the fact that mozilla won't follow the proposed Manifest v3
Not at present but to conform they may in the future.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonchild » 2019-12-17, 09:27

I bet at least some people involved in Mozilla (or used to be) are now kicking themselves over the WebExtensions deal. the whole idea behind it was universally applicable extensions across browsers. And now with the manifest v3 and diverting API sets it's not that much different from the way it was before with "legacy" which they did away with. Another one of the Mozilla failures of the decade?
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by moonbat » 2019-12-17, 11:33

Moonchild wrote:
2019-12-17, 09:27
I bet at least some people involved in Mozilla (or used to be) are now kicking themselves over the WebExtensions deal. the whole idea behind it was universally applicable extensions across browsers.
The only people celebrating 'cross browser extension compatibility', one of the goals of moving to WebExtensions - are Chrome malware developers. since they can now target the miniscule Firefox userbase as well with little additional effort.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by JustOff » 2019-12-17, 13:23

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
2019-12-16, 22:28
Maybe one of you can get [..] Gorhill's permission to officially submit the extension to the Add-ons Site on his behalf and render the companion extension unnecessary at some point in the future.
Well, this could definitely be an improvement, but for a number of reasons, I think that now is not the best time to raise this issue.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonchild » 2019-12-17, 15:41

JustOff wrote:
2019-12-17, 13:23
for a number of reasons, I think that now is not the best time to raise this issue.
Really? For fear of what, exactly?
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Tomaso » 2019-12-17, 16:05

Moonraker wrote:
2019-12-16, 22:32
Upon research it would seem UBO may be seriously hindered in chromium based browsers
I've been pointing it out on numerous occasions myself:
https://github.com/DandelionSprout/adfi ... -541336950

Although, considering all of the other crap that Chrome fanboys finds tolerable, most of them probably doesn't even care!

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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by JustOff » 2019-12-17, 16:54

Moonchild wrote:
2019-12-17, 15:41
Really? For fear of what, exactly?
At least because Phoebus does not provide an API for automatically uploading new versions, and for another number of reasons, I believe that now is not the best time to raise this issue with Tobin ;)
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-12-17, 18:28

I do have plans to explore a method of allowing that on the back burner but I don't honestly see the point when it takes less than two minutes to update an extension. The real problem arises about the potential for abuse, of course. The reason you don't edit manifest files and use ftp anymore was everyone including you at some point screwed it up. So now everything is webby and on rails so you CAN'T.

There are bigger fish to fry than allowing someone to scripthack the Add-ons Site and that is HARDLY a blocker for getting Gorhill's permission to bundle up the files and put them on the Add-ons Site. Not like there is a huge amount of development going on with it requiring daily or weekly updates.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonchild » 2019-12-17, 18:38

JustOff wrote:
2019-12-17, 16:54
Phoebus does not provide an API for automatically uploading new versions
I see that as a feature, not a lack of one.

And I wasn't talking about raising the issue with Tobin, but with Gorhill (because that is what I understood from your response)
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by JustOff » 2019-12-17, 19:08

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
2019-12-17, 18:28
There are bigger fish to fry
I totally agree, and thank you for your understanding.
Moonchild wrote:
2019-12-17, 18:38
And I wasn't talking about raising the issue with Tobin, but with Gorhill (because that is what I understood from your response)
I just meant, that if I were to become the trustee responsible for this task (as Tobin advised), it would require extra efforts while such an API is not available. This is only one of the reasons, but since updating using my extension is already quite acceptable, further improvements can wait for the right time, avoiding pressure on anyone now.
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Re: uBlock Origin getting a bit old?

Post by Moonchild » 2019-12-17, 19:16

JustOff wrote:
2019-12-17, 19:08
it would require extra efforts while such an API is not available.
A few clicks, taking less than a minute of your time to release an update. Is that too much to ask for NOT opening the door to the inherent issues an exposed web API would bring with it?
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