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Yes, I missed out the part that looked like your sig. How hard is it to paste data in and then and then correct itRickkins wrote:You may have missed the part where I pointed out that Speccy no longer properly reports AMD's latest chips properly, and the current temp is in fact 43°C (according to CPUID HWMonitor)
Yea, I could have done that, but I chose to post the info verbatim and disclose the inconsistency separately....satrow wrote:Yes, I missed out the part that looked like your sig. How hard is it to paste data in and then and then correct itRickkins wrote:You may have missed the part where I pointed out that Speccy no longer properly reports AMD's latest chips properly, and the current temp is in fact 43°C (according to CPUID HWMonitor)
Undoubtedly. But whether it is the browser, which works fine for most others, or not, is the real question.Octopuss wrote:There must be something seriously wrong somewhere.
I find it hard to believe that it is anything but the browser. A summary of my tests, and the many posts and treads that have been on this forum shows:Moonchild wrote: Undoubtedly. But whether it is the browser, which works fine for most others, or not, is the real question.
Well of course it's the browser, that obvious to anyone looking in objectively.PalleP wrote:I find it hard to believe that it is anything but the browser.Moonchild wrote: Undoubtedly. But whether it is the browser, which works fine for most others, or not, is the real question.
That's to be expected, loading and rendering page requires resources, it's not an easy thing to do. Especially nowadays, when a lot of them are plagued by resource-hungry javascript frameworks. If you open just one and it takes few seconds to fully load and render, it's not that bad. Open ten of them at the same time and the wait will seem endless. And then you never know how many scripts run on that page and keep eating up cpu. They can be for example periodically changing ads, which is another different problem, because they often like to play videos now. Have these in few background tabs and they will easily bring multicore cpu to its knees.PalleP wrote:This means that if I open a lot of new tabs quickly (eg. from a search engine) PM will stall and cpu usage goes skyhigh. I then have to close some of the tabs to get the other pages loading, but even this give me a sluggish PM.
No, that is not to be expected. You have obviously not read the posts about the problem before you post.Sob__ wrote: That's to be expected
I totally agree.I just had to restart PM again.Octopuss wrote:I know nothing much can be done if Moonchild is unable to reproduce any of this, but it's really frustrating when I (and others) am experiencing these slowdowns on daily basis
what a luck, to me total freezing ocurred with facebook, outlook, youtube...and as you tell cpu usage goes skyhigh so I must force close the browser process to restart again...is there any way to download previous versions?PalleP wrote:I find it hard to believe that it is anything but the browser. A summary of my tests, and the many posts and treads that have been on this forum shows:Moonchild wrote: Undoubtedly. But whether it is the browser, which works fine for most others, or not, is the real question.
1) It will happen on any Windows version.
2) PM v27.x does not have this problem.
3) Other browsers do not have this problem.
4) The problem has been reported by people using different security software, and different graphics adapters.
It seems obvious that the problem is a combination of PM v28.x and the local hardware/software, otherwise everyone would suffer from it.
For my part the "total freezing" has not occured since I stopped using Gmail, but now I experience that I can easily stress PM when it has been running for some hours.
This means that if I open a lot of new tabs quickly (eg. from a search engine) PM will stall and cpu usage goes skyhigh. I then have to close some of the tabs to get the other pages loading, but even this give me a sluggish PM.
So I always end up restarting the browser. PM will be lightening fast after the restart, and all the previous pages loads without delay.
To me this indicates a memory leak, but I am not a programmer so I can only speak of user experience with other memory leaking programs.
I may also add that this is the only problem I have with my pc, everything else runs fast and smooth. I have also tried PM v27.x again, and it runs smoothly for days.
I therefore suggest that this thread is kept on tropic, in order to locate the culprit for this problem. CPU temperature ect. does not belong in this thread and should be posted elsewhere.
At times, I can do the same.PallelP wrote:I experience that I can easily stress PM when it has been running for some hours.
That has been mentioned before, in one of these threads. I don't recall who said it though.I open a lot of new tabs quickly (eg. from a search engine) PM will stall and cpu usage goes skyhigh
You call it a "memory leak", I attribute it to particular web pages.To me this indicates a memory leak
Then how about some pertinent details? [Not directed to any one, but to all.]I therefore suggest that this thread is kept on topic
Taking time, using resources, that is to be expected.Sob wrote:[quickly opening tabs causing browser hang...] That's to be expected
For what must be the third time in this topic, I'll suggest using TaskMan to check for kernel usage when this happens.Cassette wrote:I too have experiences sluggishness in the browser, but it doesn't seem to be related to high CPU usage or high RAM usage.
Sajadi wrote:It would be interesting to see where the problems most of the time occurs.
I for my part own only Windows 7 and Windows 8 machines - i can not really confirm a full slowdown over longer times. Using here the 64 Bit operating system variants and the 64 Bit unstable variant of Pale Moon. Have constantly 20-30 tabs open, for example Facebook, Hotmail, Twitter... and sadly also Google mail - the browser runs for hours each day - everything rather fluid and stable.
Perhaps Windows 10 must be blamed for this, as Microsoft constantly "abuses" the user with various patches of more less or more intense impact - which also constantly creates issues with program stability. I have read a lot of complaints about Windows 10 also in other boards.. for example the Amiga emulator "Winuae" - where the developer has ongoing trouble with Windows 10 users as different updates have been resulting in different kind of breakages of the emulator software, which ranges from crashes towards heavy artifacts.
I don't know how to do this "Task Man"..sounds interesting ....how to find it and get it downloaded with out getting "PUP"s Potentially Unwanted Programs from the download site like CNET always does so I never use them anymore....satrow wrote:For what must be the third time in this topic, I'll suggest using TaskMan to check for kernel usage when this happens.Cassette wrote:I too have experiences sluggishness in the browser, but it doesn't seem to be related to high CPU usage or high RAM usage.
Obviously you'll need to have TaskMan running, Performance tab > View > Show kernel times. They'll be a new red line showing and it won't be easy to see so full screen is best to get an estimated %. Anything above ~5% might be detected as lag, most people can 'feel' it from ~8%, above ~10-12% and the PC is barely usable.
Excess kernel usage is often caused by 'bad' drivers, maybe a bottleneck causing occas. 'logjams'.
Cassette wrote: "Show kernel Times"
[I stayed to read this topic that maybe "stuttering" might be how professional computer people like you describe my "slowness" with typing.... It should not take me 10 minutes to slowly type "a.......[posts the a] n......[posts the b] d.......[posts the d]"yereverluvinuncleber wrote:I had something similar with PM 64bit, I switched to the 32bit version and it went away completely. The 64bit operation appeared to swamp my puny hardware, same with FF 64bit. I have run PM 32bit version permanently and since then the problem has never returned. You could at least try it...Ozzed wrote: My experience is that during the beginning of the day, the browser is mostly fully responsive, though with some minor stalls and "microstutter" in the scrolling, but as the day progresses, the situation worsens with scrolling being smooth but the browsers coming to a complete stop every 3 seconds (scrolling completely stalls, then resumes to being smooth again for 3 seconds, then stalls for a second, then smooth for 3 seconds, rinse and repeat).
