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That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by JustOff » 2018-07-24, 20:16

YouTube page load is 5x slower in Firefox and Edge than in Chrome because YouTube's Polymer redesign relies on the deprecated Shadow DOM v0 API only implemented in Chrome. YouTube serves a Shadow DOM polyfill to Firefox and Edge that is, unsurprisingly, slower than Chrome's native implementation.

Via Chris Peterson @ twitter.

PS: Fortunately, Pale Moon uses UA override to force YouTube to use the old "fast" design, but no one knows how long it will be available.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Night Wing » 2018-07-24, 20:30

I'm not concerned about loading speed with regards to Youtube. With my poor eyesight, I use the user agent override in Pale Moon so I can use the Dark Theme for YouTube in both linux and windows Pale Moon. I just have to keep up with updating the user agent which are below.

For linux Pale Moon, I'm using:

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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0 (Pale Moon)
And for windows Pale Moon, I'm using:

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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0 (Pale Moon)
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by doofy » 2018-07-24, 22:21

For youtube, I simply use hooktube and a redirect....

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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Thehandyman1957 » 2018-07-25, 00:39

Hooktube is awesome. But another option is to use Pot Player and
with this add on "Potplayer Youtube Shortcut 1.6.3" you can
simply right click on any YouTube video and it will open it up in 720p
Screenshot - 7_24_2018 , 5_35_38 PM.png
and actually loads better than the original. ;)

I have my Potplayer set to open full screen from the start so when I click
on a video in YouTube it opens in a nice full screen video. :thumbup:

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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Isengrim » 2018-07-25, 03:22

Thehandyman1957 wrote:Hooktube is awesome.
Off-topic:
Hooktube was awesome until Youtube legal got involved. But the lightweight front-end is still very nice.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Baloo » 2018-07-25, 04:29

Google is quickly trying to take over the internet. Loading Youtube more slowly in other browsers is despicable, as is what they've done with the most recent flavors of Android, which they have completely under lock and key despite being an open source project. It is a shame that they shut down Hooktube, and I fear they'll come for the Open Source app NewPipe for Android next.

The best and only solution is getting away from ]Google's infrastructure, and contributing to FLOSS projects like Pale Moon.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Night Wing » 2018-07-25, 09:34

Baloo wrote:Google is quickly trying to take over the internet. It is a shame that they shut down Hooktube, and I fear they'll come for the Open Source app NewPipe for Android next.
After reading your comment stating HookTube has been shutdown, I went to the HookTube site at the link below to see if HookTube has actually been shut down.

https://hooktube.com/

And HookTube has "not" been shut down. All the preview videos on the main site page using the link above 'play for me". Then for experimentation purposes, I decided to play one of my short YouTube videos which I saved as a favorite bookmark when I was looking to purchase a standup paddle board (sup) to see if I could play the same video on HookTube.

The first video plays on YouTube at the link below.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

And the exact same video plays on HookTube at the link below.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

BTW, I'm using 64 bit linux Pale Moon 27.9.4 running in 64 bit linux Mint 19 (Tara) Xfce distro for my default operating system. The only addons I use are NoSquint and Adblock Latitude and for HookTube, ABL is enabled.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Tomaso » 2018-07-25, 14:05

JustOff wrote:YouTube page load is 5x slower in Firefox and Edge than in Chrome because YouTube's Polymer redesign relies on the deprecated Shadow DOM v0 API only implemented in Chrome.
Article @ : overclock3d.net:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/softwa ... browsers/1

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EDIT:
Article @ : ghacks.net:
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/07/25/googl ... -browsers/
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Latitude » 2018-07-25, 14:26

Another solution: Use YouTube "leecher" site, like HookTube (https://hooktube.com)

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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Nigaikaze » 2018-07-25, 17:04

Latitude wrote:Another solution: Use YouTube "leecher" site, like HookTube (https://hooktube.com)
Which was originally suggested six posts above yours, and has been discussed more since then. Did you even bother reading the other posts in this thread?
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by hujan86 » 2018-07-26, 00:38

Google is the new Microsoft. Hopefully, not many will give in to the temptation of Chrome due to this debacle.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Latitude » 2018-07-26, 14:58

Isengrim wrote:
Thehandyman1957 wrote:Hooktube is awesome.
Off-topic:
Hooktube was awesome until Youtube legal got involved. But the lightweight front-end is still very nice.
I was surprised when I went there - that you're right - Hooktube has been neutered.

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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Giraffe » 2018-07-27, 06:20

Apparently You Tube Classic can regain the 'old' appearance of You Tube and thus the speed, but it's not available for PM.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by JustOff » 2018-07-27, 10:57

Pale Moon doesn't need You Tube Classic add-on, because it already has UA override (see the first post).
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Baloo » 2018-09-06, 04:49

Night Wing wrote:
Baloo wrote:Google is quickly trying to take over the internet. It is a shame that they shut down Hooktube, and I fear they'll come for the Open Source app NewPipe for Android next.
After reading your comment stating HookTube has been shutdown, I went to the HookTube site at the link below to see if HookTube has actually been shut down.

https://hooktube.com/

And HookTube has "not" been shut down. All the preview videos on the main site page using the link above 'play for me". Then for experimentation purposes, I decided to play one of my short YouTube videos which I saved as a favorite bookmark when I was looking to purchase a standup paddle board (sup) to see if I could play the same video on HookTube.

The first video plays on YouTube at the link below.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

And the exact same video plays on HookTube at the link below.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

BTW, I'm using 64 bit linux Pale Moon 27.9.4 running in 64 bit linux Mint 19 (Tara) Xfce distro for my default operating system. The only addons I use are NoSquint and Adblock Latitude and for HookTube, ABL is enabled.

This was a mistake on my part, I had based this post off of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO ... _hooktube/
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Night Wing » 2018-09-06, 08:03

Baloo wrote:
Night Wing wrote:
After reading your comment stating HookTube has been shutdown, I went to the HookTube site at the link below to see if HookTube has actually been shut down.

https://hooktube.com/

And HookTube has "not" been shut down. All the preview videos on the main site page using the link above 'play for me". Then for experimentation purposes, I decided to play one of my short YouTube videos which I saved as a favorite bookmark when I was looking to purchase a standup paddle board (sup) to see if I could play the same video on HookTube.

The first video plays on YouTube at the link below.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

And the exact same video plays on HookTube at the link below.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=dUkgWgGCbtw

BTW, I'm using 64 bit linux Pale Moon 27.9.4 running in 64 bit linux Mint 19 (Tara) Xfce distro for my default operating system. The only addons I use are NoSquint and Adblock Latitude and for HookTube, ABL is enabled.

This was a mistake on my part, I had based this post off of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO ... _hooktube/
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Phantom » 2018-09-06, 10:25

It's a damn shame the original creators of YouTube sold out to Google. It was a nice platform back then and my channel looked nice. Then Google took over and my channel went to crap. Then I was having issues and thought if I added G+ it would work. Well it didn't work and I lost my original username of Agent capture I created when YT first came to the Internet in replace of a fake name. Pisses me off. :evil:

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Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2018-09-06, 11:47

I couldn't comment on youtube for like five years because of google minus. But because I never did the integration i still have my orginal channels but I am the lucky one.

Just remember, the all powerful google has not been nearly as successful as it may appear to be.
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by zapper » 2018-09-06, 15:01

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:I couldn't comment on youtube for like five years because of google minus. But because I never did the integration i still have my orginal channels but I am the lucky one.

Just remember, the all powerful google has not been nearly as successful as it may appear to be.
If you or anyone else ever wants to watch videos with any privacy, there is a new way that doesn't use youtube's api called:

https://invidio.us/

Try it!

It is also faster too!
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Re: That's why the new YouTube design is loaded five times slower in all browsers except Chrome

Post by Night Wing » 2018-09-06, 16:14

zapper wrote:If you or anyone else ever wants to watch videos with any privacy, there is a new way that doesn't use youtube's api called:

https://invidio.us/

Try it!

It is also faster too!
Thanks for the tip. :) I tried to see of some of my favorite standup paddleboard videos from YouTube were on Invidio and they are. I'll have to give Invidio a thorough "shake down cruise" to test it out in more detail.
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