what about continued support for windows Vista?
Moderator: trava90
Forum rules
This board is for technical/general usage questions and troubleshooting for the Pale Moon browser only.
Technical issues and questions not related to the Pale Moon browser should be posted in other boards!
Please keep off-topic and general discussion out of this board, thank you!
This board is for technical/general usage questions and troubleshooting for the Pale Moon browser only.
Technical issues and questions not related to the Pale Moon browser should be posted in other boards!
Please keep off-topic and general discussion out of this board, thank you!
-
- Apollo supporter
- Posts: 31
- Joined: 2018-03-06, 18:57
what about continued support for windows Vista?
Firefox support for the "ESR" editions will end in August 2018 for Windows Vista users. When does Moonchild plan to end support for Pale Moon for Vista?
-
- Fanatic
- Posts: 220
- Joined: 2018-02-23, 06:51
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Contrary to what many reports claim, Vista is still support for Windows Updates. In fact Windows XP is also still supported for Windows Updates.
I found out the truth after installing both Windows XP Home and Windows Vista Home in VMware Workstation to restore my test bench following a rebuild of my main PC.
Both Windows XP and Windows Vista are still updating after a couple days at a time. XP has finally slowed down and is now only updating for new found Microsoft applications as I install them.
I found out the truth after installing both Windows XP Home and Windows Vista Home in VMware Workstation to restore my test bench following a rebuild of my main PC.
Both Windows XP and Windows Vista are still updating after a couple days at a time. XP has finally slowed down and is now only updating for new found Microsoft applications as I install them.
Last edited by Pelican on 2018-06-27, 08:29, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Lunatic
- Posts: 323
- Joined: 2017-12-06, 21:25
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
My skills technical & otherwise: VMS system manager 20 years. Fault Tolerance, clustering, Vax, Alpha and ftSparc. DCL, QB45, VB.NET, VB6, PHP, Javascript. Graphic Design, Project Management, CMS Web Design. DOS and Windows admin since 1985. Quad Audio Electronics update and repair. Rebuilding classic cars and motorcycles. Artist in watercolours. Historian. There's more.
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
According to the Minimum platform requirements for UXP minimal Windows kernel version required to run UXP is 6. This includes Windows Vista kernel. But that is the platform minimal requirement. Pale Moon minimal requirements may be different.
-
- Pale Moon guru
- Posts: 35647
- Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
- Location: Motala, SE
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
There's a difference between "patches are still being served to existing installations" and "new patches are being made for the OS".WilliamK wrote:Contrary to what many reports claim, Vista is still support for Windows Updates. In fact Windows XP is also still supported for Windows Updates.
As for our support: support for features will be limited in Vista, but since it matches the minimum platform requirements there's no reason to change that on a per-application basis.
UXP applications including Basilisk and Pale Moon 28 should continue to run on Vista in the foreseeable future.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
-
- Lunatic
- Posts: 288
- Joined: 2015-08-24, 14:55
- Location: Lemberg
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Some OS statistics.
Vista on the second page
Vista on the second page
Windows 7 Pro x64 - Pale Moon x64
We hope for multiprocessing
We hope for multiprocessing
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
.40% hahaha.Al6bus wrote:Some OS statistics.
Vista on the second page
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
yereverluvinuncleber wrote:Vista means Death - in general.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pxbye
Off-topic:
Nice!
Nice!
-
- Hobby Astronomer
- Posts: 24
- Joined: 2017-06-27, 23:02
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
XP and Vista is dead. Why support dead system ?
Last edited by RMK99 on 2018-06-27, 20:50, edited 1 time in total.
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Windows XP is not supported and support for Windows Vista will mostly come for free if you support other systems that use NT 6.x kernel.RMK99 wrote:XP and Vista is dead. Why support dead system ?
-
- Fanatic
- Posts: 220
- Joined: 2018-02-23, 06:51
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
After installing 1,480+ XP updates, there is still more...
Last edited by Pelican on 2018-06-28, 02:58, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Pale Moon guru
- Posts: 35647
- Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
- Location: Motala, SE
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
So are you really not understanding what I said or are you just choosing not to?
Moonchild wrote:There's a difference between "patches are still being served to existing installations" and "new patches are being made for the OS".
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
-
- Moon Magic practitioner
- Posts: 2860
- Joined: 2012-06-28, 01:20
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
From his screenshot I looked up the first two that was specifically for XP:
kb2808679 for XP was released on 10-8-2013
kb2632503 for XP was released on 1-9-2012
If he didn't understand before that he's only getting old "updates," hopefully he does now.
kb2808679 for XP was released on 10-8-2013
kb2632503 for XP was released on 1-9-2012
If he didn't understand before that he's only getting old "updates," hopefully he does now.
-
- Fanatic
- Posts: 220
- Joined: 2018-02-23, 06:51
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Yes, I always realised that and also realise that the updates provided are not by date released. Otherwise why would those updates be provided after already installing 1,490 other updates, of course unless I still have another 1,000 to go?
Yes, support has stopped and updates for bugfixes may have stopped also, but as you can see, one can still install XP from an original OEM disk with SP3 and then get all the updates that were ever available.
To activate both XP and Vista now I had to use the phone method as it is no longer permitted to do so online.
Why my interest in XP? Because I have corporate clients with 600+ workstations still using it!
Yes, support has stopped and updates for bugfixes may have stopped also, but as you can see, one can still install XP from an original OEM disk with SP3 and then get all the updates that were ever available.
To activate both XP and Vista now I had to use the phone method as it is no longer permitted to do so online.
Why my interest in XP? Because I have corporate clients with 600+ workstations still using it!
-
- Pale Moon guru
- Posts: 35647
- Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
- Location: Motala, SE
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Off-topic:
Corporate clients with that many workstations should be using WSUS on an in-house server, not connecting out individually.
Corporate clients should also not still be using XP in 2018, period. If they are, their IT department has not done their job to keep the infrastructure in use healthy.
But all this is getting rather off-topic.Corporate clients with that many workstations should be using WSUS on an in-house server, not connecting out individually.
Corporate clients should also not still be using XP in 2018, period. If they are, their IT department has not done their job to keep the infrastructure in use healthy.
The fact remains that all this is irrelevant in terms of support for a specific OS by the browser. Vista will be supported as part of being an NT6-class OS, but because of its limitations, support will be limited as well. Not everything will work or work smoothly on Vista.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
-
- Fanatic
- Posts: 220
- Joined: 2018-02-23, 06:51
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Those corporate intranets are still working (just like my partner's computer), so why throw more money at them and lose time and production in process?
Or, to put it another way... if it aint broken, why try to fix it?
Or, to put it another way... if it aint broken, why try to fix it?
-
- Pale Moon guru
- Posts: 35647
- Joined: 2011-08-28, 17:27
- Location: Motala, SE
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Off-topic:
But from a business perspective, it *is* broken.
But from a business perspective, it *is* broken.
"Sometimes, the best way to get what you want is to be a good person." -- Louis Rossmann
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
"Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past; wisdom is of the future." -- Native American proverb
"Linux makes everything difficult." -- Lyceus Anubite
-
- Board Warrior
- Posts: 1325
- Joined: 2015-09-08, 22:54
- Location: 127.0.0.1
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
WilliamK wrote:Those corporate intranets are still working (just like my partner's computer), so why throw more money at them and lose time and production in process?
Or, to put it another way... if it aint broken, why try to fix it?
Off-topic:
I've done work for customers that have that same mentality. They deeply regretted it when WannaCrypt hit a bunch of their unsecured Windows XP and 7 computers.
I've done work for customers that have that same mentality. They deeply regretted it when WannaCrypt hit a bunch of their unsecured Windows XP and 7 computers.
a.k.a. Ascrod
Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon (64-bit), Debian Bullseye (64-bit), Windows 7 (64-bit)
"As long as there is someone who will appreciate the work involved in the creation, the effort is time well spent." ~ Tetsuzou Kamadani, Cave Story
Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon (64-bit), Debian Bullseye (64-bit), Windows 7 (64-bit)
"As long as there is someone who will appreciate the work involved in the creation, the effort is time well spent." ~ Tetsuzou Kamadani, Cave Story
-
- Fanatic
- Posts: 220
- Joined: 2018-02-23, 06:51
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
From a business perspective, what would it cost to upgrade 600 workstations that may be scatttered through 2 or 3 different manufacturing plants?
Keeping in mind that the hardware will need upgrading as well to support the newer software. Also take into account the downtime and the fact that a "network rollout" will not work.
Keeping in mind that the hardware will need upgrading as well to support the newer software. Also take into account the downtime and the fact that a "network rollout" will not work.
Last edited by Pelican on 2018-06-29, 21:01, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Moonbather
- Posts: 71
- Joined: 2017-03-21, 16:27
- Location: New York, USA
Re: what about continued support for windows Vista?
Less than it would cost to be completely hosed by Ransomware. I hope none of those machines are connected to the internet, because taking over an XP machine is beyond trivial.WilliamK wrote:From a business perspective, what would it cost to upgrade 600 workstations that may be scatttered through 2 or 3 different manufacturing plants?