Issue with redirects on some forum pages

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Issue with redirects on some forum pages

Unread post by kr_nz » 2018-01-31, 20:33

I hope I have this in the right place.

First, OS is Linux Mint 17.1, 64 bit.
Browser is Pale Moon 27.7.1 (64-bit)
Plugin data below
Extensions Noscript 5.0.6, Ublock Origin 1.13.8, Adblock Plus DISABLED.

There is more information on this at ... ost5302769 (I am the thread starter).

What is happening is that on some of the topics at, when I am logged in to the site, I cannot view the second page of the thread (where a thread has 2 or more pages). This does not affect all such threads. When I try to visit the 2nd page the page starts to load but then I get redirected to the 1st page of the thread. There is a box near the top and bottom of each page that lets you select pages by clicking on a previous/next icon, by clicking the page number, or by clicking an icon that brings up a "go to page #" box. All of these fail. Also, if I copy and paste the URL of the second page into the browser OR manually type the URL this issue still occurs.

I use Open VPN + Pihole, however the issue occurs whether I have the VPN client running or closed.

I am happy to try to provide any other info I can.

Troubleshooting information :
Application Basics

Name: Pale Moon
Version: 27.7.1
Build ID: 20180118193027
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/3.4 Firefox/52.9 PaleMoon/27.7.1
OS: Linux 3.13.0-141-generic
Multiprocess Windows: 0/3 (default: false)
Safe Mode: false


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Enabled: true
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Enabled: true

Name: Adblock Plus
Enabled: false
ID: {d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}


Adapter Description: ATI Technologies Inc. -- AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series
Device ID: AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series
Driver Version: 4.5.13399 Compatibility Profile Context 15.201.1151
GPU Accelerated Windows: 0/3 Basic
Vendor ID: ATI Technologies Inc.
WebGL Renderer: ATI Technologies Inc. -- AMD Radeon HD 5700 Series
windowLayerManagerRemote: false
AzureCanvasBackend: cairo
AzureContentBackend: cairo
AzureFallbackCanvasBackend: none
AzureSkiaAccelerated: 0

Important Modified Preferences

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browser.cache.disk.capacity: 1048576
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: false
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.first_run: false
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.use_old_max: false true true
browser.places.smartBookmarksVersion: 4 true true
browser.startup.homepage: about:home
browser.startup.homepage_override.buildID: 20180118193027
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browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent: true
extensions.lastAppVersion: 27.7.1
image.http.accept: image/webp,image/jxr,image/png,image/*;q=0.8,*/*;q=0.5
keyword.enabled: false
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storage.vacuum.last.index: 1
storage.vacuum.last.places.sqlite: 1516271400

Important Locked Preferences

Places Database


Incremental GC: true


Activated: false
Prevent Accessibility: 1

Library Versions

Expected minimum version: 4.16
Version in use: 4.16

Expected minimum version: 3.32.1
Version in use: 3.32.1

Expected minimum version: 3.32.1
Version in use: 3.32.1

Expected minimum version: 3.32.1
Version in use: 3.32.1

Expected minimum version: 3.32.1
Version in use: 3.32.1

Experimental Features
Plugins :
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Path: /opt/google/picasa/3.0/lib/
State: Enabled
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DivX® Web Player

Path: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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DivX Web Player version

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Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos)

Path: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
State: Enabled
The Videos 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.

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Path: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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The Videos 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.

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QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6

Path: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
State: Enabled
The Videos 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.

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Path: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/
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Adobe Flash

Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/
State: Enabled
Shockwave Flash 28.0 r0

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Re: Issue with redirects on some forum pages

Unread post by Fedor2 » 2018-02-01, 01:49

What happens when you not logged in?
For given link it shows log in screen, and no forum.

Forum is heavy on javascript, but i could navigate threads and topics with js totally disabled.
Forbid by noscript all js crap except and try.

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Re: Issue with redirects on some forum pages

Unread post by kr_nz » 2018-02-01, 22:10

"Heavy" is not the word I'd use! :)

I use No Script to block most JS. I allow 2 to run on that site, and ajax.googleapis (the latter I do reluctantly!), to get some functionality I like from time to time.

The link in the code that gets generated looks fine, looking at the source of the page at ... stion.html (which is one of the pages that are acting up)

<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: pagenav -->
<div class="pagenav" align="right">
<table class="tborder" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
<td class="vbmenu_control" style="font-weight:normal">Page 1 of 2</td>

<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: pagenav_curpage -->
<td class="alt2"><span class="smallfont" title="Showing results 1 to 10 of 13"><strong>1</strong></span></td>

<!-- END TEMPLATE: pagenav_curpage -->
<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: pagenav_pagelink -->
<td class="alt1"><a class="smallfont" href=" ... ion-2.html" title="Show results 11 to 13 of 13">2</a></td>
<!-- END TEMPLATE: pagenav_pagelink -->
<td class="alt1 nextpage"><a rel="next" class="smallfont" href=" ... ion-2.html" title="Next Page - Results 11 to 13 of 13"><span class="sprite greater-than"><!-- -->&nbsp;</span></a></td>

<td class="vbmenu_control" title="showthread.php?s=57a2b17b3d3539bf67e44f825160ecd1&t=548729"><a name="PageNav"></a></td>
<!-- END TEMPLATE: pagenav -->

Another thing to note is that it generally only affects page 2 of a given thread. If you look at ... t1100.html it will load pages and 3 happily, but I cannot get page 2 to load. Further, there is a function for logged in users to change the number of posts visible on a page, options of "forum default", 5, 10, 20, 30(?) and 40". If I take a thread with 27 posts and set the number to 40 I can see them all in the first page. If I set the number to 5 then posts 5-10 are not available, but 15+ are. Pages 3 and up load perfectly OK.

I've checked the page at ... stion.html (and the second page, ... ion-2.html) with PM, Waterfox and Opera (all I have installed on this machine), Opera is the "see how bad a page really is" with no JS or ad blocking. Only PM is affected by this error.

I still feel that this is a server-side issue BUT it oddly only affects PM.
Last edited by kr_nz on 2018-02-01, 22:12, edited 1 time in total.