Mercury wrote:If you simply criticize people for their attempt,
So I am not allowed to criticize anyone about anything.. Yeah, uhh, that is what some have tried to convince me of.. I of course don't buy it.
Mercury wrote:tell them what they do is not good enough,
Only when that seems to be the case..
Mercury wrote:and act personally offended by their "slipshot hackjob" efforts,
Well I find people who half-ass things especially when it is in any way related to the hard work I have done offensive. Basically, in its current state these builds are like, in my view, a parody of what I worked so hard to do when I did Pale Moon for XP.
Mercury wrote:do you think they will be eager to accept your "help"? People don't work like that. I won't sign up for a gym membership from a guy who tells me I'm a pathetic, lazy fatass. Only someone with serious self-esteem problems would.
If they are eager or not is their decision. However, I don't take well of you implying that any help I would offer is fake. As I said, I have been where they are now and there are legitimate issues with what and how they are doing that they either don't understand yet or just don't care enough to resolve.
Mercury wrote:I was glad to find Pale Moon, and I still use it as my main browser. I'm thankful for the team that make it possible. But I have to say the attitude from the devs, and Tobin in particular, is more than unfriendly and demanding... it borders on being toxic.
I am sorry that you feel that the most purest form of objective truth is toxic to you. Also, when has demanding excellence if not just basic competence become a bad thing in our collective society? Should not everyone strive to do the best job that can possibly be done?
Mercury wrote:For the brief time that I made my own, tiny, pathetic contribution, I quickly learned to ignore Tobin's words, as every message from him regarding what I was doing was some kind of complaint or attempt to make me feel inadequate. I don't think there was a single piece of useful information I got from him. I saw the same attitude directed at others. I can't blame anyone for not asking him for his "help".
When you were making your rebuild you used insane optimizations that both I and Moonchild, who had already been through this with Pale Moon for XP and Pale Moon for Atom respectively, had determined to be detrimental when running them both on an NT 5x system and when running NT 5x targeted code on NT 6x. Nothing I told you or advised you to do was out of line or anything that others who knew better told you.
You, in the face of this decided to ignore the information. You were told you would therefor have to support your users yourself if not using sane optimization flags. You responded by saying you had NO intention of supporting the users who used your rebuild. Then Tycho happened, and unlike the people who are doing this XP build, YOU couldn't work out how to get Tycho to build for XP for use in your SSE builds. So you just up and quit.. Leaving your unsupported users to have go find other alternatives with very little forewarning.
This is all a matter of public record and cannot be disputed.
NOW, as far as THIS XP build is concerned.. I have offered my help at no cost to anyone to help them be more successful.. Back when this began I was totally against their little project but later thought.. I'll keep a watch and see where it goes.. I did.. It has gone basically no where and the situation hasn't improved.. So in a single stroke, I provided a reality check which may have been harsh but truthful and factually accurate and I offered my help, which I have been debating if I should or not.
They can take it.. OR Leave it.. I don't care beyond how their builds and their users reflect back on Pale Moon.
As for you Mercury, you can join Dnes in the pool of people who make bad decisions and get mad at me when I point out that you make bad decisions. One of these days, if pushed too far, I may simply.. stop. Pray that doesn't happen before the work ahead of me is complete..