Moderator: athenian200
WaylandSo, where's the Wayland version?The thing about Linux users is, if you give them an inch, they will take a mile. You give them a GTK2 version and a 32-bit version? They'll ask where the Wayland version is
Very. It's a completely different rendering subsystem.
Not only that, we'd have to add the necessary plumbing for Wayland, as well, instead of what X11 uses.
That is because Epyrus builds on UXP. The Epyrus application code does not talk directly to the underlying O.S. What applies to Epyrus applies to all applications building on the platform, and vice versa, in this case.
I'd say it depends. Plugins would need to be scrapped since they require Xlib even if indirectly, but most of the UI could be ported since GTK4 has X11 as an afterthought and thus there would already be a lot of Wayland done for us already.
Just from these few posts today, though, I definitely can see the issues and why it would be so hard to do.There are no definitive stats on Wayland vs. Xorg usage across all Linux systems, but we can estimate based on distribution defaults and user preferences.
### **Wayland vs. Xorg Usage Estimate (2025)**
- **Wayland likely holds 40-50% of Linux desktop usage**, growing but not yet a majority.
- **Xorg still used in ~50-60% of systems**, particularly on distros where it's the default or necessary for compatibility.
### **Breakdown by Major Distros:**
| **Distribution** | **Default Display Server** | **User Adoption Estimate** |
|----------------------|---------------------------|---------------------------|
| Fedora (GNOME) | Wayland | ~90% Wayland |
| Ubuntu (GNOME) | Wayland (X fallback) | ~70% Wayland |
| Debian | Xorg | ~80% Xorg |
| Arch Linux | User choice (Xorg common) | ~60% Xorg |
| KDE Plasma (6+) | Wayland (default in some) | ~50% Wayland |
| XFCE, LXQt, MATE, Cinnamon | Xorg (no Wayland support) | ~100% Xorg |
| Pop!_OS, Mint, etc. | Xorg by default | ~90% Xorg |
### **Key Factors:**
- **Fedora and Ubuntu's shift to Wayland** has pushed adoption significantly.
- **KDE Plasma has improved Wayland support**, so adoption is rising, but many users still prefer Xorg for stability.
- **Lightweight DEs (XFCE, MATE, LXQt, Cinnamon) have no Wayland support**, keeping Xorg relevant.
- **NVIDIA driver improvements (GBM support)** are making Wayland more viable.
### **Conclusion:**
Wayland adoption is growing, but Xorg still dominates in many use cases. By 2026-2027, **Wayland may surpass Xorg**, but currently, Xorg likely still holds the slight majority.
Re: Wayland
No, you are very much mistaken. Wayland requires a complete rewrite of much of the layout plumbing to talk to it instead of X. GTK4 may sit on top and from the UI side it can indeed be re-themed to use GTK4, sure, but you're forgetting that we have a layout and rendering engine ourselves which must directly talk to the O.S. at that level (similar to how we have extensive plumbing for DirectX flavours on Windows).vannilla wrote: ↑2025-02-20, 22:12I'd say it depends. Plugins would need to be scrapped since they require Xlib even if indirectly, but most of the UI could be ported since GTK4 has X11 as an afterthought and thus there would already be a lot of Wayland done for us already.
Of course, that's only if GTK4 proves to be up to the task, but from personal experience using the toolkit I have many doubts about it.
Certainly if it happens, it will be a surprise to everyone here including you.
Yeah... I want to avoid wayland as much as possible. Although the best way to do this is just to avoid Linux in the long run. (Meaning use BSD instead) Not sure if Xenocara exists on NetBSD or any other BSD besides OpenBSD.
Did it? A hole in the foot is more than you had before, too, I guess.
Sure, but the data itself is completely unreliable. You now have to go confirm all that data before sharing it anywhere if you want to retain your credibility, which means you have to do all the work you were hoping to avoid in the first place.
What do you know, someone else sharing the same thoughts 4 hours ago:
Alec from Technology Connections wrote:And if I don't vet what it's finding, what I'm really doing is saying "I don't want to be responsible for what I do".
