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28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by KlarkKentThe3rd » 2020-10-09, 05:20

I barely use the chat so I could live with this, but it is still something that can be fixed.

This used to be an occasional annoyance that would be fixed with a reload, but now it's here to stay.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by adesh » 2020-10-09, 07:01

What is YT chant? Please provide links.

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by KlarkKentThe3rd » 2020-10-09, 07:20

It's when a video is first streamed, then archived. The chat is available for as long as the stream is live. Here is a page that featured a chat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL88Z4db9k

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Faystian » 2020-10-09, 20:08

Same.
Windows 10, Pale Moon 28.14.2 - youtube chat not working.

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Moonchild » 2020-10-09, 20:13

That's google blocking chat arbitrarily.
If we indicate we are a "newer Firefox" than what we say we are, then they want to use WebComponents we don't support. So there's no way around this. Google refuses to show chat to "older" browsers. we can't tell them we are "newer" because then they will treat us to chrome-specific technology that Firefox copied but we don't have yet.

So if you want youtube with chat you'll need to use a Chrome-based browser.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Faystian » 2020-10-09, 20:37

Moonchild wrote:
2020-10-09, 20:13
If we indicate we are a "newer Firefox" than what we say we are, then they want to use WebComponents we don't support. So there's no way around this. Google refuses to show chat to "older" browsers. we can't tell them we are "newer" because then they will treat us to chrome-specific technology that Firefox copied but we don't have yet.
Thanks for the explanation.
Will there be a Pale Moon update to fix this?

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by KlarkKentThe3rd » 2020-10-09, 20:45

Sad, but reality often is.

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2020-10-09, 21:36

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2020-10-09, 20:37
Thanks for the explanation.
Will there be a Pale Moon update to fix this?
Thanks for saying words.
Will I get instant gratification instantly?

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Tharthan » 2020-10-09, 22:54

You can also use FreeTube if you want to view YouTube videos/streams with a live chat. You cannot participate in the live chat if you use FreeTube for that purpose, but you can view it.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by rereser » 2020-10-10, 06:28

general.useragent.override.youtube.com : Mozilla/5.0 (%OS_SLICE% rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Moonchild » 2020-10-10, 08:41

Confirmed, YouTube blocking chat when it sees the Pale Moon UA slice. I'll adjust our override accordingly.
Like I said above; arbitrary blocking.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Tharthan » 2020-10-10, 09:29

Off-topic:
Moonchild wrote:
2020-10-10, 08:41
YouTube blocking chat when it sees the Pale Moon UA
Wow.

Now they can't even claim that they aren't personally discriminating against us. They literally are discriminating against us specifically!
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Moonchild » 2020-10-10, 10:30

Off-topic:
Hey, between the silent reCAPTCHA login failures and this, maybe people will finally see what kind of anti-competitive foul play Google is pulling these months.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2020-10-10, 13:21

Years. Years not months.

You should make list of actions they have made against us.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Moonchild » 2020-10-10, 15:43

Yes, it's been going on for years, just saying the last few months they really stepped it up again without much if any pretence.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Faystian » 2020-10-10, 15:59

rereser wrote:
2020-10-10, 06:28
general.useragent.override.youtube.com : Mozilla/5.0 (%OS_SLICE% rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
Strange, but now it helped. Although I have tried other different options previously. Thanks.

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by KlarkKentThe3rd » 2020-10-11, 00:42

The override worked! YES!!!

Also, a little note on Google discrimination. Sadly, with the small userbase, I don't think many care what happens to this browser. Who cares when you can just DOWNLOAD BRAVE, am I right?

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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by Tharthan » 2020-10-11, 01:34

Moonchild wrote:
2020-10-10, 15:43
Yes, it's been going on for years, just saying the last few months they really stepped it up again without much if any pretence.
I'm worried that, in spite of future WebComponents support in UXP, Google and their affiliates will block any browser with a UXP user agent (Pale Moon, Basilisk) even if it has WebComponents support.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by moonbat » 2020-10-11, 02:19

For what it's worth - if you're only interested in viewing the video and not chat/comments, PMPlayer can play the video in a popup window since it just relies on using an embed, and so far they haven't screwed with that (and it supports several other video sites as well, including Peertube). Link in my signature.
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Re: 28.14.2 Mac build has problems with YT chat

Post by KlarkKentThe3rd » 2020-10-11, 03:03

moonbat wrote:
2020-10-11, 02:19
For what it's worth - if you're only interested in viewing the video and not chat/comments, PMPlayer can play the video in a popup window since it just relies on using an embed, and so far they haven't screwed with that (and it supports several other video sites as well, including Peertube). Link in my signature.
If I want to watch something outside a browser, I just use MPV.

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