Google's reCAPTCHA vs Pale Moon

[JK9977]

Ok so not a website as such, but Google's reCAPTCHA is becoming ubiquitous in websites for providing access control - and it does not seem to me to like Pale Moon. Has anyone else experienced problems?

For me there are sites I can no longer access via Pale Moon solely because of reCAPTCHA (because it keeps presenting me with another set of traffic lights or whatever), while I can access them via say Chrome or Firefox.

It may be simply that Google has data on my own use of Pale Moon with those sites and is not intelligent enough to know that I am human even though I can access same sites via other browsers from same IP address.

Needless to say, I hate reCAPTCHA.

[Moonchild]

No, it's not just you. reCAPTCHA has been fine for a while but lately (like month or so) it's been making a big fuss about Pale Moon again - it's just straight up discrimination because there is no reason whatsoever aside from arbitrary checks (on e.g. user agent) to treat Pale Moon any different than the 5 flavours of Chrome that are "mainstream". And they are most certainly aware of our existence on the browser market so it's not like we're considered a "potential bot" because of "unknown".

But we can't do anything about it on our end. The ones who can change it are Google (they won't) or the webmasters (by e.g. changing to a different captcha provider)

[Pentium4User]

F*** Google Recaptcha, but we have to live with that.

First, make sure you try a default PM profile.
I also experienced that you have to solve about 5 to 6 sheets of that captcha pictures, it is annoying, but it can't be avoided, but maybe write the webmaster and tell them.

[RoninZero]

I'm not a fan of reCAPCHA, myself.

whats a good alternative for web developers to use?

[New Tobin Paradigm]

They not only discriminate against your choice of browser but also if you aren't always logged into their service in said browser. They are just out to cut out anyone who isn't bending their knee to them. Hmm.. Now where have I recently seen that happen...

[Isengrim]

I'm not a fan of reCAPCHA, myself.

whats a good alternative for web developers to use?

hCaptcha seems to be filling the role of "reCaptcha alternatve" nicely.

[Pentium4User]

I'm not a fan of reCAPCHA, myself.

whats a good alternative for web developers to use?

hCaptcha seems to be filling the role of "reCaptcha alternatve" nicely.

I also hate hCaptcha, they should switch back to old text based captcha and send that "click all shitty cars" captchas to the moon.

[RoninZero]

hCaptcha seems like a good alternative. The necessary evil of captcha without the unnecessary evil of Google.

I do agree it'd be great to be able to avoid captcha use, but that would simply result in any kind of use input (including emails) being flooded with 10,000 Viagra ads a minute.

Though, I suppose anyone who can solve both of those problems would be able to add 5 or 6 digits to their bank account, lol.

[Moonchild]

they should switch back to old text based captcha

It's insufficient. Text-based captchas are harder for humans to solve and (much!) easier for bots to guess right, especially with our currently available average computing power, so they simply will not do.

[Pentium4User]

they should switch back to old text based captcha

It's insufficient. Text-based captchas are harder for humans to solve and (much!) easier for bots to guess right, especially with our currently available average computing power, so they simply will not do.

For me, these are resolvable more easily than the picture captchas, but I think the reason for them are the mobile devices without a physical keyboard so typing takes a lot of time.

[Moonchild]

For me, these are resolvable more easily than the picture captchas

The ones that aren't guessed by bots with OCR in a fraction of a second are considerably more difficult and I have to regularly request a new challenge on those before I get something readable. And that is coming from someone for whom latin script is native; how about for someone who normally doesn't use latin script? It becomes that much harder.

[moonbat]

On the Indian Railways ticket booking website, they have a clever way of combining captchas with advertising. A small picture of an ad is shown, and you are asked a question about it. For example 'what color is the man's shirt' or you're asked to complete the marketing slogan that's already displayed.

[adesh]

Or click on a specific section on the ad image.

Btw, I think https://www.geetest.com/en is also a good alternative. They generally ask people to rotate or move an object in place using their mouse. I've seen it used on some of the websites I visit infrequently like hotel/ticket booking.

[wickedsp1d3r]

A page that uses Google's reCAPTCHA API (script-tag has ?render=explicit) causes Pale Moon to crash to "Segmentation fault".

[Moonchild]

A page that uses Google's reCAPTCHA API (script-tag has ?render=explicit) causes Pale Moon to crash to "Segmentation fault".

Example URL? Because that certainly shouldn't happen.

[wickedsp1d3r]

A page that uses Google's reCAPTCHA API (script-tag has ?render=explicit) causes Pale Moon to crash to "Segmentation fault".

Example URL? Because that certainly shouldn't happen.

This page (a Finnish imageboard) is causing these problems. I am on Linux with the latest version of the browser.

[RealityRipple]

Instead of using a premade captcha system, I've been using simple math problems for years without issue. Stuff like
"If you take four from twenty-one,
what do you have left?"

or

"Enter the next number in the sequence:
twenty-five, twenty-four, twenty-three, ..."

seems to be plenty for bots to get caught up on. Plus the user only usually has to type one or two number keys. Of course, if more sites used this, then it'd end up being targeted directly and the game would be up; so the real trick is to make a captcha method that nobody else is using.

[Moonchild]

(a Finnish imageboard) is causing these problems.

Thanks for letting us know.
Looks like a null deref crash in dynamically loading JS modules. Tracking in Issue #1602 (UXP) -- unsure at this time if it's actually a reCAPTCHA problem or not.

[Tharthan]

The ones that aren't guessed by bots with OCR in a fraction of a second are considerably more difficult and I have to regularly request a new challenge on those before I get something readable. And that is coming from someone for whom latin script is native; how about for someone who normally doesn't use latin script? It becomes that much harder.

Forgive my ignorance, but what prevents a particularly persistent malefactor from being notified when a bot encounters reCAPTCHA requests, and then doing them manually? I can imagine a group of telemarketer-esque spammers being willing to do something like that, if it is possible.

[adesh]

Yes, they do exist and are called captcha farms.