Euro Animation Journal, another site that can crash PM

[KlarkKentThe3rd]

https://www.europeananimationjournal.com/

The few times it crashed my browser in the past, was when I opened several articles in separate tabs, at the same time. The last time I crashed, was when I merely went to the main page, and opened ONE link in the same tab (their news section).

I am using the latest (33.9.0) Intel Mac build in an old 2012 Macbook, if this helps. Though perhaps hardware doesn't matter.

[jobbautista9]

I am using the latest (33.9.0)

33.9.0.1 is the latest, please update to that first and see if this crash can still be reproduced there.

Anyway I tried the News section as you said and I don't get any crash from a fresh profile of 33.9.0.1 in Windows 11 x64. I also tried in a portable copy of 33.9.0, no crash either.

[Gemmaugr]

Confirmed crashing the browser silently here. When going from Main page to News back and forth. Win 10, PM 33.9.0.1. 64-bit.

I've seen the same kind of silent crash a lot lately. I also think it's a know issue with either an endless lopp CSS or Layer issue, though I'm not an expert.

[Moonchild]

Unable to reproduce the crash here, but it's possible the CSS issue affects this site. That should be solved in 33.9.1

[jobbautista9]

Confirmed crashing the browser silently here. When going from Main page to News back and forth. Win 10, PM 33.9.0.1. 64-bit.

I've seen the same kind of silent crash a lot lately. I also think it's a know issue with either an endless lopp CSS or Layer issue, though I'm not an expert.

Can't reproduce the crash doing that manually either, whether via history back and forward buttons or simply clicking on the website logo and News link vice-versa. I've also tried to automate it with a userscript targetting https://www.europeananimationjournal.com/*:

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window.onload = function() { 
  switch (window.location.pathname) {
    case "/":
      window.location.pathname = "/category/news/";
      break;
    case "/category/news/":
      window.location.pathname = "/";
      break;
  }
}

No crash that way either.

[Gemmaugr]

I tried a bunch of more times (default profile, new fresh profile, with addons, without addons, with cookies, without cookies), and it is highly intermittent. I managed to get two more silent shutdowns (out of 20 tries), and it seems to somehow be related to the subscribe now newsletter pop-up. If one moves away from the page to main or news after clicking its close X, then it can happen... sometimes. Rarely. I guess having it happen on the first try was just bad luck (or a clue).

[jarsealer]

Site doesn't crash for me when visiting news and main sections.

Console output if useful:

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This site appears to use a scroll-linked positioning effect. This may not work well with asynchronous panning; see https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Performance/ScrollLinkedEffects for further details and to join the discussion on related tools and features!

[Moonchild]

If the people experiencing these crashes can capture a crash dump (through attached debugger) that would be a great help to determine whether it's the CSS color-mix issue or something else.

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13044

[Gemmaugr]

If the people experiencing these crashes can capture a crash dump (through attached debugger) that would be a great help to determine whether it's the CSS color-mix issue or something else.

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13044

I tried, but it only offers an "app installer" (what is this, a smartphone?..) for "winRT app pack". Tried to install that with the default choice, and it says "This app package is not supported for installation by App Installer because it uses certain restricted capabilities."

No exe that I can see, and it also doesn't offer a 32-bit version (not that I need that personally).

The github is only for support it seems (and riddled with issue tickets).

Trying to download the Stand Alone Toolset only seems to be for 32-bit, but it doesn't offer WinDBG only, as it says it should. That's an exe though.

Yeah, no. I give up hunting around for it. Do you have a direct link?

[Moonchild]

Oh. seems they hijacked their old URL to point to a "new" version, renaming the old tools "classic".
Fairly easy to find further down the page, but here's a direct link to what they call "classic" debugging tools, providing a few options:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/debugger-download-tools

[Gemmaugr]

Oh. seems they hijacked their old URL to point to a "new" version, renaming the old tools "classic".
Fairly easy to find further down the page, but here's a direct link to what they call "classic" debugging tools, providing a few options:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/debugger-download-tools

Ok, thanks. It turns out that Stand Alone Toolkit I mentioned previously was the correct one (https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=2335755), but they hid the debugging selection until the very last install screen.

Now to set an untouched profile as default, start WinDBG up, and see what happens on https://www.europeananimationjournal.com/

EDIT: Ok, so that didn't work. It seems to be only for 32-bit versions.. https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/HpFlaitAw1Y9.png?o=1

Thought I had something with https://stackoverflow.com/questions/225 ... 86-version but the x64 link downloads an installer that doesn't do anything at all. Doesn't install. All the other links just point to the 2 pages we've already seen. App pack and 32-bit. What am I missing?

[Moonchild]

From the page:

As a standalone toolset

You can install the Debugging Tools for Windows alone, without the Windows SDK or WDK, by starting the installation of the Windows SDK and then selecting only Debugging Tools for Windows in the list of features to install (and clearing the selection of all other features). To download the installer or an ISO image, see Windows SDK on Windows Dev Center.

The normal way to install is by selecting it as part of the Windows SDK installer.
If you are not on Win 10 anniversary or later though, you need to check the archived versions.

If an msi installer does nothing, check to make sure you have the necessary MSInstaller on your system (should be part of later windows installs but I'm not sure about Windows 7 or 8, might need a separate download?) and that you haven't disabled services it requires to run.

[Gemmaugr]

and that you haven't disabled services it requires to run.

This could be it. I use Win 10 and I've run https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 on it.

I might, maybe, play around to see if there's anything to do.

[Moonchild]

If not, that's fine too. someone else experiencing this with an easier time using a debugger can also help out instead, after all.

[Gemmaugr]

If not, that's fine too. someone else experiencing this with an easier time using a debugger can also help out instead, after all.

I actually managed to get it to work!

I uninstalled the initial 32-bit WinDBG, and the x64 one from Debugging Tools. Then installed again from the x64 Debugging Tools (https://download.microsoft.com/download ... _en-us.msi) and searched for WinDBG in start menu. It's there, and the right bit version, and I ran Pale Moon with it without problems.

It's just... Euro Animation Journal didn't want to crash now.. at all. Typical, heh. Well this was an edge case in any way, without a sure fire proof of getting a silent crash. Oh well.

Thanks for the help though!

[Moonchild]

It's just... Euro Animation Journal didn't want to crash now.. at all. Typical, heh.

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