In palemoon.org, the Start.me Cartoon Widget fails to render in only Goanna engines

[Moonchild]

The spacing on start.me was a problem with one of the updates months ago, and I reported it, and they fixed that... not sure why you're seeing it.

[suzyne]

The spacing on start.me was a problem with one of the updates months ago, and I reported it, and they fixed that... not sure why you're seeing it.

Yes, it was after this new Start.me feature that the column spacing got messed up in Pale Moon.

https://blog.start.me/much-requested-finally-here-our-new-column-resizing-feature/

But it's been working fine after they did a prompt fix.

[adoxa]

I'm sure the first time I visited palemoon.start.me it did have the gap, but the next time it did not. Just turned off the adblocker and forced a refresh, but still no gap. Maybe something different with Basilisk? Yeah, Pale Moon itself does have the gap. Hah! switching the agent from "Basilisk" to "PaleMoon" restores the gap.

[Pallid Planetoid]

As far as can tell it looks good-to-go for me

No, you got a HTML page, not an image; look at the "Response" (or "Preview") to see what that has to say (perhaps an error message, or maybe a page containing an image viewer).

What you said previously:

Okay, I signed up to start.me, click the plus to add a widget, search for "gar", add the widget, the comic immediately shows. Here's my network response: first line is where it reads the feed, second is the comic itself (so it's actually images.weserv.nl you should look for).
start.me-garfield-network.png

Here's my screen-shot again (previously posted in the former topic page):

Where am I wrong - looking at the screen-shot?

[Moonchild]

Where am I wrong - looking at the screen-shot?

As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words so maybe the one I attached helps.

The response you get is text/html, i.e. not an image. If you check the "response" tab on the details pane, you may be able to figure out the specific response there as it will show the contents. (you could even click in that content window (below the tab header) and use Ctrl+A to select all, Ctrl+C to copy to clipboard and then paste it in your reply here in a [ code ] tag so we can have a look ourselves and/or let start.me know what it is.)

[Pallid Planetoid]

Where am I wrong - looking at the screen-shot?

As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words so maybe the one I attached helps.

The response you get is text/html, i.e. not an image. If you check the "response" tab on the details pane, you may be able to figure out the specific response there as it will show the contents. (you could even click in that content window (below the tab header) and use Ctrl+A to select all, Ctrl+C to copy to clipboard and then paste it in your reply here in a [ code ] tag so we can have a look ourselves and/or let start.me know what it is.)

Thanks for the reply!

Agreed - with the "picture is worth a thousand words" old adage... but it also helps to know what you're doing -- and I certainly do not!
So here's my blank (empty) response:

So what do I do next in my weird on-of-a-kind world?

[Pallid Planetoid]

I know little - but I can sort of follow instructions (to the extent of my limited knowledge).

I thought I'd look at FF (that works) and drill down to the "Response" part of the Network data as instructed....

So I'm told to look here:

Okay, I signed up to start.me, click the plus to add a widget, search for "gar", add the widget, the comic immediately shows. Here's my network response: first line is where it reads the feed, second is the comic itself (so it's actually images.weserv.nl you should look for).
start.me-garfield-network.png

Notice that's where I'll go using "Network" tool as pictured next.

So here's FF:

From what I can tell - I've selected what I was told above - and what I get for a "Response" is a weird picture as I see it.... So what's that about? (but of course the Garfield Comic Widget works in FF - so I deduct I'm once again doing something wrong.... I'll be happy to try and follow more instructions. Oh, if this is looking weird to others than myself as well - Did I say my world is a "weird on-of-a-kind world"? (yep, reviewing the topic, I did ).

ADDENDUM: I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG URL (here's the correct one):

So the results are what would be expected.

[adoxa]

Sorry, if there's nothing in the HTML response I'm out of ideas. What happens if you load the image directly?

As for the Firefox image, you want the one two above the highlighted - the 38k gif is most likely the comic.

[Pallid Planetoid]

Since Pale Moon (where Widget fails to render) and Firefox (where Widget does render) Network results are confusing, i.e. one has blank (empty) results and the other has an image of 'construction workers', respectively. (refer to explanation below for the edit in this line).

ADDENDUM: The Firefox results (that didn't appear right) - was because I selected the wrong URL (that mistake has been edited for the respective post) - suffice to say Firefox produces expected results (FWIW).

I'm thinking perhaps looking at Vivaldi (where the Widget also fails in similar fashion as Pale Moon) might perhaps produce some results that might help to know a little more about what's going on with Pale Moon as well (considering both browsers are getting the same Comic Widget results for Start.me).

So here's the "Source" selected in Vivaldi (notice the reference to the two locations in comments attached to screen-shot - that suggest I'm at the correct place in the Network data)

Notice references to "https://images.weserv.nl" and "A64.media.tumblr.com" which would suggest I'm looking in the correct Network "Source".

Network "Status" is generating multiple "failed" in "Status".

Does this information help at all as far as what might be the problem in Pale Moon as well?

[adoxa]

Yes, that's the right URL, but it's not "A64", it's "%3A" (i.e. "ssl:64..."). For whatever reason Vivaldi appears to be blocking them, so that would explain why they're not showing up, but why they're blocked is another matter.

[Pallid Planetoid]

Sorry, if there's nothing in the HTML response I'm out of ideas. What happens if you load the image directly?

As for the Firefox image, you want the one two above the highlighted - the 38k gif is most likely the comic.

When loading the image directly using Pale Moon (or for that matter Vivaldi as well) I currently get the following:

This is fsn.wsrv.nl

Listening on:
46.4.13.221
2a01:4f8:221:3d28::2

HTTP-host for:
wsrv.nl
images.weserv.nl

Contact:
admin@weserv.nl

=====================

AS OF Tuesday, November 26, 2024 5:23 AM - I received a message from Start.me to test the link below (looks the same as the link you've posted)
On the issue with the RSS images, can you try and access this link in a private window in Vivaldi?
https://images.weserv.nl/?t=fit&a=attention&dpr=2&il=1&q=85&page=0&w=600&h=1200&url=ssl%3A64.media.tumblr.com%2F4551bba7ded58099e74c59bb082d128c%2F49c39d2cd9cabeec-d2%2Fs640x960%2F8981d8c4f215a995e28f7da4ca6299982a332fb9.gif

My results at that time was:

As you can see different results - I NEVER got any feedback from Start.me after that????? (I've wondered about that - and why they never followed up).

[adoxa]

Well, I'm afraid I have no idea what that is. Looks like a raw response from the server hosting the image domain. Weird.

[Pallid Planetoid]

More Vivaldi Network results (that might be more helpful) - note: Vivaldi does not have a "Response" option that I can find in Network tool.

Does the following shed any additional light on the subject that might help in regards to Pale Moon also?

It appears I've got the correct URL (for a change).

Status is: "(failed) net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_ORB".

So who's "ORB"? (... a bad boy is he)

[Pallid Planetoid]

Looking into this further: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/78487854/android-webview-gives-neterr-blocked-by-orb
Quote:
The error net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_ORB is related to a request that breaks CORS.

There is this Google group conversation that mentions that a change happened in Chromium:

Handle ORB network errors as DevTools issues

ORB "v0.2" changes error handling from silently injecting an empty response to raising a network error. Since the default is to log errors on the console this can lead to a very "spam-y" console. To resolve this, we will always report ORB network errors (ERR_BLOCKED_BY_ORB) to DevTools as an issue, and will suppress console messages for the same errors.

I would suggest making sure that the original url that is loaded within the webview has the same domain as the url that is giving you this error.

[Pallid Planetoid]

Assuming this new information might be shedding more light on the subject:

So where's the responsibility lie in regards to who should be addressing this:
1) Browsers
2) Start.me

It would seem to me perhaps Start.me should be coding in a way to provide adequate compatibility across browsers based on the conclusion (see below) referenced in the previous post (that said, I do recall references to "CORS" (i.e. Cross-Origin Resource Sharing) in regards to Browser compatibility issues - so there's that too....).

Suggested resolution - Quote: I would suggest making sure that the original url that is loaded within the webview has the same domain as the url that is giving you this error.

[Pallid Planetoid]

If the conclusion is that Start.me should be accountable regarding this issue (assuming the new information is meaningful as to a resolution of this problem, thus I'm not jumping ahead of myself) - In regards to reporting the issue to Start.me - how should I phase what should be done on their side in a diplomatic way?

[Pallid Planetoid]

Hmm, I just left the computer and then suddenly an epiphany struck me (dashing my hopes of a possible resolution to the problem) that led me to the question:

If any of what I've mentioned in the past few posts has any merit (i.e. specific to a "CORS" problem) - then why WOULD I BE THE ONLY USER IMPACTED?

Whew - that question would suggest my inspiration concerning a cause of the issue at hand is totally flawed (it would seem... ). Oh well, absent an answer to that nagging question (which is frankly a mystery in-and-of-itself) - it was nice to think perhaps a resolution was soon to be forthcoming...

[adoxa]

Just to be thorough I installed Vivaldi, set "Block Trackers & Ads", signed in to start.me, comic displayed. Installed uBO, refreshed, comic displayed. I don't know what more to do.

[Pallid Planetoid]

To followup with the "CORS" issue concept (6 previous posts back). Or, if "CORS" has absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand - then perhaps answers to the question at the BOTTOM of this post would at least hopefully provide some level of help in resolving the Widget rending issue.

Here's the "Headers" Network Data (from Vivaldi browser since I'm not getting access to "Headers" Data in Pale Moon - both browsers have the same issue so this data should be relevant):

Code: Select all

Request URL:
https://images.weserv.nl/?t=square&a=attention&dpr=1&il=1&q=85&page=0&w=83&h=83&url=ssl%3Aimageio.forbes.com%2Fspecials-images%2Fimageserve%2F67521498a840927b07728b19%2F0x0.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960
Request Method:
GET
Status Code:
200 OK
Referrer Policy:
strict-origin-when-cross-origin
cache-control:
max-age=2678400
cf-cache-status:
DYNAMIC
cf-ray:
8eee0bb65815ab7d-SJC-PIG
content-encoding:
zstd
content-type:
text/html
date:
Sun, 08 Dec 2024 16:13:58 GMT
expires:
Wed, 08 Jan 2025 16:13:58 GMT
last-modified:
Fri, 06 Dec 2019 14:14:41 GMT
server:
cloudflare-nginx
vary:
Accept-Encoding
:authority:
images.weserv.nl
:method:
GET
:path:
/?t=square&a=attention&dpr=1&il=1&q=85&page=0&w=83&h=83&url=ssl%3Aimageio.forbes.com%2Fspecials-images%2Fimageserve%2F67521498a840927b07728b19%2F0x0.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960
:scheme:
https
accept:
image/avif,image/webp,image/apng,image/svg+xml,image/*,*/*;q=0.8
accept-encoding:
gzip, deflate, br, zstd
accept-language:
en-US,en;q=0.9
priority:
u=1, i
referer:
https://palemoon.start.me/
sec-ch-ua:
"Chromium";v="130", "Google Chrome";v="130", "Not?A_Brand";v="99"
sec-ch-ua-mobile:
?0
sec-ch-ua-platform:
"Windows"
sec-fetch-dest:
image
sec-fetch-mode:
no-cors
sec-fetch-site:
cross-site
user-agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/130.0.0.0 Safari/537.36

Notice scrolling down to the bottom - 5 data points from the bottom of the "Headers" data there is the reference to "no-cors".
In the event this is meaningful from the approach that the Network Status Error is: "(failed) net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_ORB". referenced 7 posts back.

That said, specific to "CORS", other browsers that have a working Garfield Widget generate data points similar to this: "sec-fetch-mode: no-cors" (so I guess my question concerning this is whether some browsers are perhaps coded to handle "CORS" in ways that help facilitate the rendering of the Comic Widget that would otherwise cause a rendering issue with other browsers that are perhaps not coded in a similar fashion).

Note (specific to the "Response" Network data): In Pale Moon the "Response" Network data is blank (empty) - In Vivaldi we get "Failed to load response data: No data found for resource within given identifier":

Failed to load response data: No data found for resource within given identifier

Bottom Line: is there anything in the "HEADERS" DATA above that offers any clue to the problem at hand?

[adoxa]

I have the same request headers and it works for me. I think the only thing left to try is a new profile.