arstechnica.com & Palemoon 33

[mmouse]

Hello

sorry but I can't resist to post that for the first time since ages, I have gone to this #@! site with Palemoon Linux and it has not HANGED the browser and more than half hanged X Window.
I could even read the article and close the tab without issue. Going back to it in disbelief, read another article, switched to a video and could see it. Great job. Cheers for 33.0 !

[therube]

Off-topic:
In that regard, I'll note that I did take a look at 33.0.0b1, & it seemed decidedly "heavy".
Page loading, scrolling, just seem "off".

With 33.0.0 release, that feeling is gone.

[mmouse]

Hello

Sadly, I have to take back what I wrote. Either this darn site has changed something, or I just stumbled on pages that were not exhibiting the problem. Now that I think of it, I think that when the hang happens, there is a small video autoplaying in the top right corner of the screen. I will have to investigate to see if it's possible to disable autoplaying of videos for a particular site.

[gepus]

No problem with arstechnica.com and Pale Moon 33.0.2 64-bit (Win7).

[mmouse]

Hello @gepus

thanks for the info.
I have done a few more tests and disabling the autoplay (generally) allows to use the site. It seems that when the 'ars video' (thumbnail upper right) autoplays and the cookie privacy prompt displays at the same time, it always hangs seemingly without recourse.
IF autoplays is disabled in PM advanced options, it is possible to bypass the cookie privacy prompt (as I have cookies deleted on browser exit, the cookies privacy prompt *always* displays for me). When the cookie privacy prompt is passed, if I enable autoplay again and I browse through the site, sometimes the video thumbnails fails to start for a few seconds and then the browser hangs like with the cookie privacy prompt, but PM seems to recover better in this case.
So that it works for you may be because you have the cookie privacy prompt permanently acknowledged - or it may be a Windows / Linux difference.

[mmouse]

Hello

I have to qualify my initial post a bit. I had forgotten that I had decided to use a X-Window session for my Kubuntu 22.04 computer, for $reasons.
I just tried the same problem with the (default) Wayland session, and it's a bit better. Not that Palemoon don't hang - it does - but this is not hogging the whole graphical session anymore, since it's only XWayland that is burning Cpu cycles, so the rest of the Linux software and the general session can use the remaining cores without problem.

[Night Wing]

@ mmouse

After reading your latest post, I opened up a new tab and went to the site. After surfing around the site reading articles and looking at videos, I cannot get my 64 bit linux Pale Moon 33.2.1 to hang. I also do not let any video start auto playing. I turn it off until I am ready to watch a video.

When I was on the site, I had the old uBlock Origin 1.16.4.30 enabled for the site. The only other extension I use is Zoom Label (1.3). The theme I use for my Pale Moon is Past Modern Revisited (2.10.2).

On this desktop tower computer I am using, it is running 64 bit linux Mint 22 (Wilma) with the Xfce desktop environment. If I am correct, you are using Kubuntu with the KDE desktop environment. KDE is a lot heavier desktop environment than Xfce so it going to use more resources which can and will cause problems if your computer does not have those resources.

You also did not post your computer's specifications. In other words, how many cores, how much memory you have, graphics card for a tower or chip for a laptop, processor and processor speed, whether you are using an ethernet cable or wifi, etc.

Just giving a snippet of information about your computer does not help. It would help if you would post the specifications of your computer in "detail" to see if you computer can handle this site. And when I say in detail, as an "example" like the specifications for my desktop tower computer I am posting this message with and it is below.

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System:
  Kernel: 6.8.0-39-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.0 clocksource: tsc
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.41 wm: xfwm4 v: 4.18.0 with: xfce4-panel vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 (MS-7D42) v: 1.0
    serial: <superuser required> uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: 1.20
    date: 02/28/2022
CPU:
  Info: 12-core (8-mt/4-st) model: 12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700K bits: 64 type: MST AMCP
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  Speed (MHz): avg: 1675 high: 4900 min/max: 800/4900:5000:3800 cores: 1: 800 2: 3937 3: 4174
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    class-ID: 0380
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  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris drv: amd r600 platforms: device: 0 drv: r600 device: 1
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Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake-S HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:7ad0 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Turks HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6500/6600 / 6700M Series]
    vendor: PC Partner / Sapphire driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16
    bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aa90 class-ID: 0403
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  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
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Network:
  Device-1: Intel Alder Lake-S PCH CNVi WiFi driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.3
    chip-ID: 8086:7af0 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlo1 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8125 2.5GbE vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie:
    speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 4000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8125 class-ID: 0200
  IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
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    bus-ID: 1-14:7 chip-ID: 8087:0026 class-ID: e001
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 5.2 lmp-v: 11
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Drives:
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Partition:
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Swap:
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USB:
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Sensors:
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Repos:
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Info:
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  Compilers: gcc: 13.2.0 Client: Unknown python3.12 client inxi: 3.3.34

[mmouse]

Thanks @Night Wing for the reply.

My computer is very slow compared to your system. Basically it has half the memory, an Atom CPU (about 3 times slower then own according to cpu.userbenchmark.com) and a SSD.
I have attached the output of lshw -short.

This said, I can start a Win 11 VM on this very same computer with the same Palemoon version (the last current - 33.2.1). Under Windows, I don't see the same problem at all. Palemoon is several times slower in general (the VM is very slow itself before loading any browser...), but when I browse to arstechnica.com site, I can scroll the page immediately before the OneTrust thingy. When the OneTrust abomination displays, I can click on the button to get rid of it and in say, 3-4 seconds I can access the page. Under Linux, the OneTrust cookie thingy displays immediately and I am stuck at this point, the browser freezes completely. It can get out of this if I am lucky but it can take at least 1 minute or worse (or I have even to kill the thing).

If I understand things correctly, Palemoon (well, the page) is trying to load pages in the background - I see them on the bottom line of the page - the remote sites are very slow to reply and when either all the replies for these darn cdn or cookies spying pages get in or time-outs occur, Palemoon can get out the black hole. But it's not reliable at all. My general impression is that 'multitasking' (I don't know the correct word for that in this context) is running much better under Windows than under Linux (in fact it's running correctly under Windows, and not at all under Linux)

What is important to repro is :
1) enable video to autoplay: I am tired now and I can't get myself to save this post, exit Palemoon and retry without this option but I think that it's much better without it indeed.
2) configure the browser to always delete the cookies at exit, so the OneTrust cookie displays *every time* the site is accessed.

I know it's masochistic to enable options that arte hanging the browser, but I am using Palemoon right ?

One more detail: I don't see the same problem on wired.com, even if this site is also using OneTrust for their cookies spam screen.

[Moonchild]

My guess is that your GeminiLake integrated Intel graphics don't play nice with video acceleration. Your system is extremely underpowered because of the SoC that your "CPU" is supposed to be - these chips really aren't designed for heavy multithreaded workloads and were designed primarily for embedded systems. The auto-playing videos in the background under the overlay probably cause even more strain on the poor graphics chip having to not only decode and rasterize, but then also composite under semi-transparency.
You can try disabling hardware acceleration to take a load off of the Intel graphics a bit and offloading it to the CPU (which is likely what happens with your Windows VM as well as I doubt it will have acceleration in the VM...) and see if that works any better, but it's asking a lot of the hardware either way. The chip you're running on really isn't meant for the kind of work you're asking of it.