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de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by lohiomys » 2023-12-01, 12:25

Hello,
e.g.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratwurzel
... is very, very slow.
No other load on machine.

[Win7 32bit, Thinkpad T43p, Intel Pentium M 2.13GHz, ATI FireGL]

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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-12-01, 13:56

Works just fine here. That particular page does load a ton of images though which take a little while to show up. But the page itself is fast.
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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Pentium4User » 2023-12-01, 14:35

lohiomys wrote:
2023-12-01, 12:25

[Win7 32bit, Thinkpad T43p, Intel Pentium M 2.13GHz, ATI FireGL]
That is an old-ass system from ~2005 and is most likely the reason for that slowness.
The wikipedia page is also a bit slow on my 2019 low power Intel Celeron J4125.
The profile picture shows my Maico EC30 E ceiling fan.

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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Night Wing » 2023-12-01, 16:54

After clicking on the link, the page loaded and rendered properly for me in about one second of time. Meaning no disrespect, I think the OP's machine is quite old and that might be the problem especially if it is a laptop using wifi.

At this time I am using 64 bit GTK2 linux Pale Moon 32.5.1 running in 64 bit linux Mint 21.2 (Victoria) Xfce. And uBlock Origin 1.16.4.30 is enabled for this site. My download speed from my ISP (Comcast) is 925 Mbps. This desktop tower has a 12th generation Intel i7 processor in it with a processor speed of 3.60 (not over clocked either) and 32 GB of memory. The computer uses an ethernet cable to connect to the internet. The rest of the computer's specs are below.

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Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 (MS-7D42) v: 1.0
    serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: 1.20 date: 02/28/2022
CPU:
  Info: 12-core (8-mt/4-st) model: 12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700K bits: 64 type: MST AMCP
    arch: Alder Lake rev: 2 cache: L1: 1024 KiB L2: 12 MiB L3: 25 MiB
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    active: none empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, HDMI-A-3, HDMI-A-4 bus-ID: 00:02.0
    chip-ID: 8086:4680
  Device-2: AMD Turks [Radeon HD 7600 Series] vendor: PC Partner driver: radeon v: kernel pcie:
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: HDMI-A-5 empty: DVI-D-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0
    chip-ID: 1002:675b
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Audio:
  Device-1: Intel vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
    chip-ID: 8086:7ad0
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    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 01:00.1
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Network:
  Device-1: Intel driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: N/A bus-ID: 00:14.3 chip-ID: 8086:7af0
  IF: wlo1 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8125 2.5GbE vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie:
    speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 4000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8125
  IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel AX201 Bluetooth type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-14:6 chip-ID: 8087:0026
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    serial: <filter>
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  Hub-4: 2-0:1 info: Super-speed hub ports: 9 rev: 3.1 speed: 20 Gb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
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Sensors:
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Repos:
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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by lohiomys » 2023-12-01, 20:42

Hi guys,

Thanks for checking.

I was under the impression that simple "text" web site, such as Wikipedia, should load faster,
even on my old Thinkpad T43p, dedicated to this task.
On this machine it takes close to a minute at 100% CPU to load some Wikipedia pages. (worst with the one cited above)

I did a fresh start over from scratch with v32.5.1, including the deletion of the profile, as described in another thread, but it did not bring any speed improvement.

I take your word for it, but it is still strange.

Cheers,
Lophi

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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-12-01, 21:33

lohiomys wrote:
2023-12-01, 20:42
I was under the impression that simple "text" web site, such as Wikipedia, should load faster
Wikipedia isn't a simple "text" website. it has quite a bit of scripting, css etc.
And the page you explicitly linked is literally loaded with formulae and graphs! That does take considerable computing power to lay out and render.

EDIT: I pulled up the datasheet of the processor you're most likely having in that old computer and I'm sorry but it's pretty much underpowered for anything a modern browser is expected to do. It barely supports SSE2 :think:
If you want to have a dedicated machine for using reference sites I suggest you get a second hand system that isn't almost 20 years old (If you look at 2018 or 2019 models you should be able to get something for very cheap that is 100x more powerful)
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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by lohiomys » 2023-12-02, 11:54

Thanks Moonchild,

I take your word for it.
Obviously I have hit an odd Web site.

There are several other and more modern systems in my office,
but my daily driver is still my trusty T43p.
Sorry for all the confusion, I might have caused.
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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-12-03, 08:01

lohiomys wrote:
2023-12-02, 11:54
There are several other and more modern systems in my office,
but my daily driver is still my trusty T43p.
I know change can be hard, but you'll thank yourself for taking the effort to switch your daily driver to something modern.
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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by CrimsonAkiha » 2023-12-03, 10:51

I just checked what that Wikipedia page looked like in 2005 via the Wayback Machine, and it's also a long page filled with images and formulae with very few differences under-the-hood. I'm not sure that one of the most expensive, long-lasting and durable workstation laptops of 2005 is just suddenly incapable of rendering Wikipedia, especially given that I have one device with an even slower Pentium M processor than the one specified by the OP, and it seems to handle the linked page just fine. I really hope he doesn't throw away his laptop over this -- the replacement probably isn't going to last anywhere near ~2 decades like that one did :(

EDIT: Hang on, maybe try the page with scripting disabled (e.g. in uBlock Origin, or maybe with about:config to turn it off globally) and this...

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?useskin=monobook
...appended to the URL? I think modern Wikipedia does do some additional stuff to have pop-ups appear when you hover over links for example, but it's not really necessary to actually read the page, and the formulae seem to be constructed out of static images, so doing this should bring the experience more in line with 2005 Wikipedia.

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Re: de.wikipedia.org - slow -

Unread post by Night Wing » 2023-12-03, 13:56

Off-topic:
@ CrimsonAkiha

If the OP likes his old 2005 year model laptop, the OP does not have to throw it away. The OP can load a linux distro on it and see if it will run. As an example, at the computer repair shop where I volunteer at, we had a woman customer come in with a 2005 Macbook Pro. The customer really liked her old computer, but it couldn't run any of those latest/newest Apple operating systems.

I suggested a linux distro for the laptop instead of just "recycling the computer" for scrap metal and parts. The customer was reluctant, but eventually she agreed . I loaded it with MX Linux on it and MX ran just fine. I told her if she didn't like MX, I would give her money back since this was an experiment. I spent some time with her helping her on how to use MX Linux and do things with it she would normally do with her old laptop.

The customer came back a few weeks later and said MX gave new life to her old laptop. And she was enjoying learning a new operating system (distro) with MX Linux. She reminded me of an old adage which states, "what is old and worn out and/or no longer useful, is new again, relevant and useful".
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