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SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by mrnhmath » 2023-08-05, 19:03

To provide a healthy future for the legacy of the Mozilla Suite and its descendant, I've been working on a fork of SeaMonkey, built on the Unified XUL Platform and the Goanna engine. Stay tuned...
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Piotr Kostrzewski » 2023-08-05, 19:23

How would it be different from Pale Moon?

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Night Wing » 2023-08-05, 20:49

Just curious.

Do you have an estimated ETA (estimated time of arrival) when it might go public?
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Sajadi » 2023-08-05, 21:55

Seamonkey fork... nice :)

It is anyway not understandable why the Seamonkey guys are not switching over to UXP - UXP clearly shows that ECMAScript features CAN be backported if there are good people around.

So instead of trying to tame modern trash Mozilla based code to work with their UI, they should be better supporting UXP/Pale Moon instead.

Same goes for the Waterfox team, Waterfox Classic would be better based on UXP too.

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-08-05, 22:03

Piotr Kostrzewski wrote:
2023-08-05, 19:23
How would it be different from Pale Moon?
It would be a suite, not just a browser.
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It is anyway not understandable why the Seamonkey guys are not switching over to UXP
It's probably still the same reason they refused cooperation way back when: they are too afraid to lose access to Mozilla infra; and I'm guessing they are equally resistant to any change. I predicted SeaMonkey would have an increasingly hard time dealing with Mozilla only focusing on Firefox which would force them to adapt their front-end and pray that they never run into something they can't possibly do on Gecko any longer... :geek:
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by mrnhmath » 2023-08-05, 22:19

This topic is about the upcoming fork. If you wanna talk about the history of SeaMonkey, please do it so in another place.
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Do you have an estimated ETA (estimated time of arrival) when it might go public?
I plan to publish an alpha sometime this month as I am still ironing out some wrinkles.

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-08-06, 00:14

mrnhmath wrote:
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This topic is about the upcoming fork. If you wanna talk about the history of SeaMonkey, please do it so in another place.
I apologize.
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by mrnhmath » 2023-08-06, 00:24

Moonchild wrote:
2023-08-06, 00:14
mrnhmath wrote:
2023-08-05, 22:19
This topic is about the upcoming fork. If you wanna talk about the history of SeaMonkey, please do it so in another place.
I apologize.
No need to. It's just that when it comes to Mozilla technology, things can get pretty inflammatory as you know very well.

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by BenFenner » 2023-08-06, 01:25

mrnhmath wrote:
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I plan to publish an alpha sometime this month
Excuse my versioning pedantry, but you mean a beta, right?

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by mrnhmath » 2023-08-06, 01:34

BenFenner wrote:
2023-08-06, 01:25
mrnhmath wrote:
2023-08-05, 22:19
I plan to publish an alpha sometime this month
Excuse my versioning pedantry, but you mean a beta, right?
I still haven't decided on a name for the application yet (suggestions welcome!). I'd like to have artwork and branding done before a beta version.

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by moonbat » 2023-08-06, 01:57

Is it Windows only for now or do you have Linux builds as well?
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by RealityRipple » 2023-08-06, 02:07

SeaStar to follow the SeaMonkey motif?
FireCat to pay homage to a great album?
QuantumTortoise just for fun?

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by jobbautista9 » 2023-08-06, 02:24

When I was working before on a SeaMonkey fork of mine with IceApe as the base (I eventually gave up on it because it just seems too much work for me to revert all those undesirable changes Hyperbola did, and I didn't have a powerful enough computer for me to build the application at the time), I was planning to call the suite "Kawashiro". It's Japanese for "river castle" (though at first I thought it meant "river child", I swear I've read somewhere where "shiro" means "child"), so it's both a Touhou reference and a nice water-based homage to the SeaMonkey project. :)
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by moonbat » 2023-08-06, 02:37

jobbautista9 wrote:
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undesirable changes Hyperbola did,
What were those changes?
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by jobbautista9 » 2023-08-06, 02:49

The search plugins, the removal of IRC (without any assurance that we can get it back as an installable extension!), the GUID change, and I think they also removed Lightning. IIRC I got really stumped at the IRC part, as I really wanted it back at the time, and on-par with current SeaMonkey 2.53 too (so I used Ambassador without realizing it never really got a proper integration with Mozilla suite).

You'd also have to factor in how they neglected Windows support (and I also didn't have a Windows computer I could test on at the time), and I wanted to build for Windows and Linux.

I guess you could say perfection is the enemy of good...
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Piotr Kostrzewski » 2023-08-06, 07:26

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It would be a suite, not just a browser.
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by wicknix » 2023-08-06, 14:22

mrnhmath wrote:
2023-08-05, 19:03
I've been working on a fork of SeaMonkey
Very cool! I also did similar by using the defunct Borealis code as a base for Mac and Linux. Browser component only. Mail can be built separately. IRC can be installed via an extension. Still have to iron a few things out, but it's usable.
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by mrnhmath » 2023-08-06, 16:59

moonbat wrote:
2023-08-06, 01:57
Is it Windows only for now or do you have Linux builds as well?
I'll be doing x64 Windows and x64 gtk+2 Linux.
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2023-08-06, 02:07
SeaStar to follow the SeaMonkey motif?
FireCat to pay homage to a great album?
QuantumTortoise just for fun?
Thanks for the suggestions. I do have a name in mind, it's a little on the corporate side though.
wicknix wrote:
2023-08-06, 14:22
Very cool! I also did similar by using the defunct Borealis code as a base for Mac and Linux. Browser component only. Mail can be built separately. IRC can be installed via an extension. Still have to iron a few things out, but it's usable.
I plan to include all the components minus Lightning, as I want the experience to be as close to the original Mozilla suite as possible.

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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-08-06, 17:37

mrnhmath wrote:
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I do have a name in mind, it's a little on the corporate side though.
Nothing wrong with that! We can't all choose hippie names XD
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Re: SeaMonkey fork

Unread post by frostknight » 2023-08-06, 21:21

wicknix wrote:
2023-08-06, 14:22
Very cool! I also did similar by using the defunct Borealis code as a base for Mac and Linux. Browser component only. Mail can be built separately. IRC can be installed via an extension. Still have to iron a few things out, but it's usable.

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