I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
This project is great news, I had already started to migrate back to ThunderBird and trying to find current replacement for the old Extensions I used before Australis.
In particular, I couldn't find a new extension to control word wrap when reading mail (as opposed to writing). My other 2 installed extensions are "ThunderHTMLedit" and "Allow HTML Temp", plus of cause the calendar, which is no longer an extension. All these extensions had versions or equivalents before Australis, so finding a way to do this in a new UXP mail client would be nice.
P.S.
My biggest daily gripe with the now dead UXP mail program was that it would freeze the user interface every few minutes, probably to poll the IMAP servers or autosave drafts there. I hope this bug is specific to the way that client was forked from Mozilla code, and will not affect Hermes.
In particular, I couldn't find a new extension to control word wrap when reading mail (as opposed to writing). My other 2 installed extensions are "ThunderHTMLedit" and "Allow HTML Temp", plus of cause the calendar, which is no longer an extension. All these extensions had versions or equivalents before Australis, so finding a way to do this in a new UXP mail client would be nice.
P.S.
My biggest daily gripe with the now dead UXP mail program was that it would freeze the user interface every few minutes, probably to poll the IMAP servers or autosave drafts there. I hope this bug is specific to the way that client was forked from Mozilla code, and will not affect Hermes.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I don't know whether that problem will come up or not, but if it does, I will attempt to figure out the cause and address it. My client seems to be working fine for me, but other people's milage may vary.
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Well, it appears that the community has chosen Epyrus as the name of the e-mail client.
It's kind of neat because the original Hermopolis name does have a connection to Egypt as well as Greece. The ancient city that the Greeks called "Hermopolis" was actually an Egyptian city, and was never known by that name to the locals.
Any other suggestions about the application and what the theme should be/what it should look like are welcome, but I get the feeling that at this point what people really want is for me to hurry up and release something. LOL.
It's kind of neat because the original Hermopolis name does have a connection to Egypt as well as Greece. The ancient city that the Greeks called "Hermopolis" was actually an Egyptian city, and was never known by that name to the locals.
Any other suggestions about the application and what the theme should be/what it should look like are welcome, but I get the feeling that at this point what people really want is for me to hurry up and release something. LOL.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
You could be right! Seriously though, I'm sure we're all extremely appreciative of your time and effort and it'll be ready when it's ready, so thank youathenian200 wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 06:59...I get the feeling that at this point what people really want is for me to hurry up and release something. LOL.
Pale Moon and Epyrus on Arch Linux.
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By the number of votes, you have 42 "BETA" testers waiting to work out the bugs.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Well, 26 at least. The rest might cross their arms and pout that their name of choice wasn't used.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I can help in porting over Pale Moon's default theme so that we'll have the same look and feel for both applications and eliminate Australis. The only problem is it might take some time before I can do this as I don't have much free time because of things IRL.athenian200 wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 06:59Any other suggestions about the application and what the theme should be/what it should look like ...
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On the other hand, Moonscape already works out of the box with a few minor changes - but only a few people, like me, would want it as the default theme.
On the other hand, Moonscape already works out of the box with a few minor changes - but only a few people, like me, would want it as the default theme.
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That's actually what I was leaning towards. Specifically, I was going to look into having something similar to Pale Moon's AppMenu replace the hamburger menu on Windows, since I remember seeing a bug where Thunderbird almost incorporated something similar before settling on the hamburger menu. But what you're talking about would take that idea to its logical conclusion.FranklinDM wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 13:09I can help in porting over Pale Moon's default theme so that we'll have the same look and feel for both applications and eliminate Australis. The only problem is it might take some time before I can do this as I don't have much free time because of things IRL.
Yeah, I tried Moonscape on there a few weeks ago and found it worked well. I doubt many people would want it as the default theme, but I definitely like having it available as an option.Off-topic:
On the other hand, Moonscape already works out of the box with a few minor changes - but only a few people, like me, would want it as the default theme.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I've been using "Classic TB2 1.5.1" + "Classic TB Options 1.5.1" for ages. I assume I'll be able to use them in this new client as well, even if they don't end up being the default theme.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Classic TB2 1.5.1 installed and works on the git version of Hermopolis/Epyrus that I built for my own testing. I don't know where to find "Classic TB Options", if you leave a link I will test it for you.Attronarch wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 18:30I've been using "Classic TB2 1.5.1" + "Classic TB Options 1.5.1" for ages. I assume I'll be able to use them in this new client as well, even if they don't end up being the default theme.
Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I'd actually made compatible themes for mail for Australium, Photonic, Tangerinemoon and Tangomoon (even in the latest XPIs on the Add-ons Site). I don't currently have a build to hand, but I would imagine they'd work fine (possibly need to tweak with regards to where the tab bar is and respect "glass"/transparency on Windows, mind).
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Those all work for me if I change the minimum version in install.rdf to 52.6.0. I was able to create them all from the src folder and install each of them. Australium is pretty nice looking.Lootyhoof wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 19:05I'd actually made compatible themes for mail for Australium, Photonic, Tangerinemoon and Tangomoon (even in the latest XPIs on the Add-ons Site). I don't currently have a build to hand, but I would imagine they'd work fine (possibly need to tweak with regards to where the tab bar is and respect "glass"/transparency on Windows, mind).
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Err why does it say I voted Epyrus? I think I voted for "Other" back when that was in the poll. I don't mind Epyrus, but I like Hermapolis better.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I think it's not displaying your vote, it's just displaying the final tally. The poll ended today and it's no longer possible to vote.Utnapishtim wrote: ↑2022-05-22, 21:09Err why does it say I voted Epyrus? I think I voted for "Other" back when that was in the poll. I don't mind Epyrus, but I like Hermapolis better.
All the votes from the first poll were reset when the new poll was started, so if you didn't vote again, I'm afraid it didn't count your vote. The problem was that the majority of votes were for "Other," and there was more than one "Other" option that was popular. Plus, I counted and there were more people voting "Other" than stating which name they preferred. So I started a new poll that included Hermopolis and Epyrus to see which was more popular, and didn't include an "Other" option this time.
It's interesting, Epyrus drew a fairly substantial amount of support from both the Hermopolis and Centrapost camps, which were the previous favorites.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Fair enough
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Hello from Berlin,
Please excuse me if I'm getting ahead of the game, but this effort looks promising to me. I wonder, though, if you're going to run into trouble with these folks: http://www.epyrus.com/bmsweb/index.asp
Anyway, I'm writing because I would like to replace what I'm now using with a "modern" email client and hope Epyrus will do the job.
This is my current client.
This is how it looks on my display (NEC PA272W @ 2560 x 1440)
And these are the theme and add-ons I'm using.
I've also got a modified userChrome.css
Any feedback will be appreciated.
Please excuse me if I'm getting ahead of the game, but this effort looks promising to me. I wonder, though, if you're going to run into trouble with these folks: http://www.epyrus.com/bmsweb/index.asp
Anyway, I'm writing because I would like to replace what I'm now using with a "modern" email client and hope Epyrus will do the job.
This is my current client.
This is how it looks on my display (NEC PA272W @ 2560 x 1440)
And these are the theme and add-ons I'm using.
I've also got a modified userChrome.css
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/*
* Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
* profile-directory/chrome/
*/
/*
* This file can be used to customize the look of Mozilla's user interface
* You should consider using !important on rules which you want to
* override default settings.
*/
/* Original Ver Global UI font
*{ font-size: 9.5pt !important;
font-family: Verdana Bold !important;
}*/
/*Tahoma Global UI font in bold*/
*{ font-size: 9.5pt !important;
font-family: Tahoma !important;
font-weight: bold !important;
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* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning
*/
@namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* set default namespace to XUL */
#threadTree > treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(unread) {
color: #0000DF !important;
font-weight: bold !important;
}
#threadTree > treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(read) {
color: #000000 !important;
font-weight: bold !important;
}
#threadTree > treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected, read) {
-moz-appearance: none !important;
color: #FFFFFF !important;
font-weight: bold !important;
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@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);
treechildren::-moz-tree-row(even),
treechildren:hover::-moz-tree-row(even) {
background-color: #E1EAE8 !important;
}
treechildren::-moz-tree-row(selected),
treechildren:hover::-moz-tree-row(selected) {
background-color: -moz-Dialog !important;
}
treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected),
treechildren:hover::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected) {
color: -moz-DialogText !important;
}
treechildren::-moz-tree-row(selected, focus),
treechildren:hover::-moz-tree-row(selected, focus) {
background-color: Highlight !important;
}
treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected, focus),
treechildren:hover::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected, focus) {
color: HighlightText !important;
}
/* ========== code end ========== */
#MailPreferences {width: 84ex !important; height: 37em !important;}
#accountManager {width: 88ex !important; height: 64em !important;}
/* Insert HTML */ textbox#srcInput[multiline=true] {min-width: 100ex !important;}
*/
/* Avoid annoyingly long lines */
body {
max-width: 50em;
}
pre {
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap; /* CSS 3 */
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Yeah, I am aware of them. The thing is that they only operate in Korea. I checked and they don't have trademarks registered in any other region, and they don't seem to do business in any other languages or regions either. So as far as I can tell, as long as I don't enter the Korean market and they don't enter any other markets I should be okay? Unless International copyright agreements have changed the game so much that no matter where a company is or where they operate, they can shut me down for using a similar name. I know the EU has a unified copyright scheme so that all EU members are counted as part of one framework, but I think that's not the case internationally.JoeyG wrote: ↑2022-05-23, 17:21Hello from Berlin,
Please excuse me if I'm getting ahead of the game, but this effort looks promising to me. I wonder, though, if you're going to run into trouble with these folks: http://www.epyrus.com/bmsweb/index.asp
Is that Windows XP or is that just a theme/skin for a newer version of Windows? If that's actually XP, I'm afraid that could be an issue.This is my current client.
Any feedback will be appreciated.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
I think you should even be fine in the Korean market as they aren't in the same functional area. Also, it's not copyright (you're not using their assets) but would rather be a trademark issue, instead, which is explicit that it should be in the same field/same purpose. E.g. Pale Moon is also a beer, a song, and a film, but there's no conflict with the browser.athenian200 wrote: ↑2022-05-23, 17:42s long as I don't enter the Korean market and they don't enter any other markets I should be okay? Unless International copyright agreements have changed the game so much that no matter where a company is or where they operate, they can shut me down for using a similar name.
I think copyrighting a name is very hard since it's not a creative work. A wordmark can be copyrighted (because it is a specific creative representation) but a name in and of itself would be a very hard sell in copyright litigation. I don't think there's sufficient overlap between epyrus.com and their mobile reader software and your (desktop) mail client to be much of a concern since there would be no possible confusion.
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Re: I'm working on a new E-mail client for UXP.
Thank you very much for your prompt reply. I'm glad there doesn't seem to be a copyright or trademark issue.
My OS is a fully updated (incl. May 2022 updates) version of Win 7 Pro SP-1 x 64.
Again, thank you for your reply.
My OS is a fully updated (incl. May 2022 updates) version of Win 7 Pro SP-1 x 64.
Again, thank you for your reply.
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As is my Win 7.
As is my Win 7.
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