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Moonchild wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 13:06

I have a suggestion: stop using GMail.

Agreed - I plan on self hosting my own mail server, just haven't gotten around to it yet. When I do, I'm looking forward to using Interlink and K9 with it, the way mail clients were meant to be used.

Isengrim wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 04:51

Google is shutting off OAuth access to Gmail and Drive for all but an "approved" list of 3rd party clients.

Will this affect Interlink's ability to interact with Gmail? I think you can still get to Gmail with other methods besides OAuth, but is there a drawback to doing so?

Based on that article and comments it looks like Thunderbird will be OK.

I've been meaning to dump Gmail for a long time...now looks like a good time to research on alternatives and finally do it.

According to Mozilla MailDev, we should be fine cause IMAP authorization and authentication should be unaffected by this change.. It looks like Google is targeting raw data access features and APIs only.

Though, I still should get my own API key at some point. But it isn't nearly as easy as it would sound if you go glance at how.

Moonchild wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 13:06

I have a suggestion: stop using GMail. I myself am migrating off of the account I have with them because of exactly this kind of manipulative behavior. The Google account will henceforth only be for things that are unimportant like Android, required service logins, and to satisfy their captcha

I agree with the spirit of your suggestion, but it may be difficult for some people in practice. I stuck with Yahoo Mail for 20 years in the face of almost everyone from my generation and (especially) younger switching to Gmail in my part of the world. It turned into a complete mess. I finally had to make the move to Gmail when Yahoo essentially seemed to lose compatibility with Gmail and AOL (The service most people older than me that I know were using) on a regular basis. I'd never know if my emails had gone through or not. Their IMAP support was an after thought that would go down for days at a time (I suspect they only grudgingly expanded it to their free users to match Gmail and because of the advent of smartphones). Though by the end I only rarely was using their service in a web browser, there were auto-play videos there and all sorts of nonsense when I did.

Gmail has been virtually problem free for years now.

I can't even attribute my issues with Yahoo Mail to Google's usual antics surrounding subtly diminishing compatibility between it's products and other things to make it's products look better, because Yahoo was having problems with AOL and others as well at times.

Email is one of those things I have to be able to count on.

I agree that it would be good for the ecology of the email ecosystem to have people move away from Gmail, but we need a rock solid alternative that just works. I could put up with something that might have troubles occasionally due to some anti-competitive Google shenanigans beyond their control, but not if it's having trouble with other services as well.

Everything that wasn't Gmail, Yahoo, or Microsoft's email service seemed to be either Russian, Chinese (I have nothing against *the people* of Russia or China, but I'm not going to use an email service based in an authoritarian country), not compatible with third-party email clients, or a fly by night operation that seemed like it could go under at any time. In fact, when I decided to switch from Yahoo, a common refrain was to try some sort of open-source (Whatever that means in the context of email) thing based in France (I have no issues with the French government ). I considered that, but didn't think the service would be around in a year- and it wasn't, or at least was experiencing significant drama last I checked that was effecting the service.

And, of course, to compete with Gmail, anything else basically has to be no-charge, which is a tough business model if you don't have a giant advertising business to support it.

Anyhow, apart from a competitor to Gmail forming that did everything I wanted it to do with near-complete reliability, the one thing that could move me from Gmail at this point would be if they removed IMAP/POP3 access. If I can't use a third-party client to access my email, I'll find another email service provider whether it works reliably or not. Otherwise, I'm going to continue to view Gmail as a necessary evil. Sometimes one wants to rage against the machine, and sometimes one just wants one's emails to go through.

CharmCityCrab wrote: ↑

2019-07-05, 17:33

Moonchild wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 13:06

I have a suggestion: stop using GMail. I myself am migrating off of the account I have with them because of exactly this kind of manipulative behavior. The Google account will henceforth only be for things that are unimportant like Android, required service logins, and to satisfy their captcha

A lot of stuff.

tl;dr

New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 14:31

You can't ask users not to use something no matter how reasonable.. If that was true then a lot of people wouldn't still be using ublock or noscript.

tl;dr

Just a remark that using a different e-mail provider is not difficult.
We used to do it all the time when the only e-mail you could have was that of your ISP, and you had to change ISP regularly because of limited service coverage, if you moved, etc.

That hasn't changed.

Even among the non-ISP bound e-mail service providers there is a ton of choice, and a good handful of them are extremely privacy-conscious.

Here's an idea for a new feature to match a capability in some other systems: let Message Filters run external programs.

In the case of a Filter Action, calling the external program would be just one step in the series of Actions in that Filter.

In the case of a Filter Rule, the external program's return code would be evaluated as part of the Rule. The external program would do things that the filter engine cannot, such as look up a Subject or a From-address in a separate database or file. Each Rule within one Filter could call a different program.

Note that one email message can be evaluated by the Rules in more than one Filter, so the set of Actions potentially working on that message is: all the Actions in all the Filters whose Rules are matched by that message. In this sense, the set of applicable Filter Actions is a "program" of sorts. The chain of Actions would branch based on input from the external program.

This feature should exist on both Windows and Linux. From the perspective of the external program, the email message is read-only. IL's filter engine would pass it the name of a temporary file containing the entire message, including headers and body. Once the program returns, IL can delete the temp file. Or, apparently IL could send the email content as StdInput to the child program.

Relevant Add-on:

• Mailbox Alert 0.19 [Homepage] [Addons page] - This one works, but separately from the Filter engine.

Relevant MozillaZine Threads:

• Make Thunderbird run external program
• Filter to external program leads to
• AutoSave ver 0.0.96, which is a non-compatible add-on from 2005

CharmCityCrab wrote: ↑

2019-07-05, 17:33

Moonchild wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 13:06

I have a suggestion: stop using GMail. I myself am migrating off of the account I have with them because of exactly this kind of manipulative behavior. The Google account will henceforth only be for things that are unimportant like Android, required service logins, and to satisfy their captcha

I agree with the spirit of your suggestion

Gmail in Interlink may survive this round but I still think the story isn't over and by the end Google will either try to redefine the imap standard or shut off all clients including pop.

New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑

2019-06-06, 00:49

SO.. In the past I have gone a little crazy about NOT using the forum for talking about Interlink (or other stuff I have created) for reasons that are totally reasons that exist. HOWEVER, I have decided that it would be a good idea to put all that aside and abandon that mentality and decision.

Interlink Discussion on the Pale Moon Forums is now free and open.

Attaboy! <wicked grin>

Nick

As much as I love IRC and I do love it.... don't use it so much anymore as many do not even know it exists and I cannot, despite my best efforts, get my young companions or proteges (shrug) to even look at it. So to have this place to talk about Interlink is a huge plus IMO.

Nick

You can access my channel specifically from the Binary Outcast website via the Interact page. Just choose a nickname and come in.

New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑

2019-07-07, 14:26

You can access my channel specifically from the Binary Outcast website via the Interact page. Just choose a nickname and come in.

Yup, been there, done that. Ni_

Good Day Tobin,

When I reply to emails, the cursor is at the end of the email rather than the top? Is there a setting I can tweak to make this happen?

Thank you,
fatboy

Edit > Account Settings > account name > Composition & Addressing > Composition > "Automatically quote the original message when replying. Then, start my reply above the quote"

Thanks kn-yami, someone was looking for that in IRC the day before yesterday actually.. And I been looking for it for a few weeks actually.. HEH. I knew what the manual pref was but where it was in the UI I didn't know.

I think I screwed the pooch with Interlink's capability to open up an email message in my default browser (Palemoon, not the portable version). Think I changed a setting somewhere because now when I try to use the "open in browser" it fails. I have to right click on that and copy the link location manually into PaleMoon. There must be a setting somewhere that I can use to fix this behavior.

Thanks

Isengrim wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 17:01

Moonchild wrote: ↑

2019-07-04, 13:06

I have a suggestion: stop using GMail.

Agreed - I plan on self hosting my own mail server, just haven't gotten around to it yet. When I do, I'm looking forward to using Interlink and K9 with it, the way mail clients were meant to be used.

Off-topic:
Gmail was great when I switched ten years ago - it made Yahoo and university webmail look like glue-eating idiots. Shame that it's all gone to hell now.

I had ditched Gmail for about 2 months ago, moved to mailbox.org, 1€ per month for 2GB space.

from my own experience, self hosting email and fighting spam is no fun at all, if you're the only person who is using the service, it is not worth the effort.

yami_ wrote: ↑

2019-07-08, 10:03

Edit > Account Settings > account name > Composition & Addressing > Composition > "Automatically quote the original message when replying. Then, start my reply above the quote"

Awesome! Thank You so much! Had no idea that it was there. I was looking in other places.