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Re: SystemD now labeled "unicorn shit"

Post by Gemmaugr » 2026-03-26, 02:44

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BenFenner wrote:
2026-03-26, 00:05
Gemmaugr wrote:
2026-03-25, 08:19
and Japanese see them as Japanese
That's not been my understanding. Having studied the history of anime decades ago, I'd always read that most anime characters were drawn to be [exotic] American caricatures (or "Western"/non-Asian at least, hence the exaggerated gigantic eyes), and Japanese view them as such*. Maybe that's changed in the decades since and certainly many anime characters are not your typical 1970-1990s art style and some are obviously not "Western" but you get the idea. And of course I could be wrong.

*Certain people outraged over an American playing the main character in a live-action adaptation of Ghost in the Shell really highlighting how some people really missed the boat there.
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Basically, what I stated. Japanese people see anime characters as Japanese, and Western people see them as Western. While Astroboy did somewhat popularize a more denationalization look, and took bigger eyes from some Walt Disney inspiration, Japanese have always maximized cuteness/moe, and that has probably had a bigger influence on eyes, head shape, form, etc, than anything else.
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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by UCyborg » 2026-03-26, 20:18

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@Maestro
Can't help but notice that you went out of the way to censor the word "shit" from the title / subject of your posts.

I guess this forum has MySQL database? So if this goes through...🪿🪮🛜...encoding utf8mb4 must be used? There's limited utf8mb3 variant where these can't be stored. :P

BTW, anyone sees all flags properly here? I suspect something odd, emojis in general when looking at that site look the same on Chromium and Pale Moon. Didn't Pale Moon use Twemoji Mozilla font in the past? Which could make up for missing characters in system font.

Edit: Seems unsetting font-family properties makes Twemoji Mozilla being used.

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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by Moonchild » 2026-03-26, 22:47

UCyborg wrote:
2026-03-26, 20:18
Seems unsetting font-family properties makes Twemoji Mozilla being used.
It's a common misconception by website devs that they have to specify emoji fonts. All modern web browsers have internal preferred emoji fonts, but they often get overridden by site CSS, which often doesn't prioritize known-preferred emoji fonts in browsers (in this case they have Segoe UI Emoji before Twemoji Mozilla, so it will default to the two-letter-code entries in that font because it's listed first). It's actually best to not specify and just let the browsers decide. This isn't the early 2000s anymore where emoji support in browsers was limited.

As for the database, I explicitly default to utf8mb4 for extended character support in posts.
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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by Mæstro » 2026-03-26, 23:08

Speaking of Unicode and mathematics, the annotations for Letterlike Symbols (attached) settle a traditional mathematical controversy. According to the Consortium, the continuum hypothesis, generalised at least to ℵ₃, is true. Would Hilbert accept this as finitary proof? :P
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Can't help but notice that you went out of the way to censor the word "—" from the title / subject of your posts.
I hate profanity and refuse to let foul words appear in my posts in any capacity. I censored it before, and I will do it again. :evil:
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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by UCyborg » 2026-03-26, 23:27

Right, forgot two-letters codes are normal for this Segoe UI Emoji font. Missing entries would probably result in the rectangle with the hex code if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by Moonchild » 2026-03-26, 23:35

UCyborg wrote:
2026-03-26, 23:27
Right, forgot two-letters codes are normal for this Segoe UI Emoji font. Missing entries would probably result in the rectangle with the hex code if I'm not mistaken.
Missing entries would indeed be hex boxes if none of the listed fonts cover the code points requested. It's a fallback system. The first font in the list is tried first. If that font doesn't cover the requested code point, then the next one is tried, and so on. And if none of the fonts have an entry, then it'll be the hex box.
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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by BenFenner » 2026-03-29, 13:38

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UCyborg wrote:
2026-03-26, 20:18
Can't help but notice that you went out of the way to censor the word "shit" from the title / subject of your posts.
Mæstro wrote:
2026-03-26, 23:08
UCyborg wrote:
2026-03-26, 20:18
Can't help but notice that you went out of the way to censor the word "—" from the title / subject of your posts.
I hate profanity and refuse to let foul words appear in my posts in any capacity. I censored it before, and I will do it again. :evil:
Is there anything more foul and profane (not to mention offensive and reprehensible) than censorship?
I could never think of anything.

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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by Mæstro » 2026-03-29, 23:51

BenFenner wrote:
2026-03-29, 13:38
Is there anything more foul and profane (not to mention offensive and reprehensible) than censorship?
I could never think of anything.
Censorship has its places. Gore, bloodshed, blasphemy, lechery, human waste, hatred are all vile things which I, frankly, do not want to see when I just want to relax, curled up in bed, enjoying beautiful and joyous things, or chatting with friends and family. Such things are not ‘forbidden pleasures’; they turn my stomach. Censorship can make something accessible to me which I would otherwise be offended watching. If I open my video editor and cut out objectionable scenes from an anime so I can enjoy it safely, you and everybody else are still free to access your uncensored version if you want. If my friends and family avoid cursing in my presence, I can enjoy their presence instead of tolerating it, and they are free to speak like sailors elsewhere if they wish. I have no desire to restrict the public sphere; if I am walking down the street, I can look away or turn my umbrella to cover a lurid display. But in my private life, I would rather filter the things to which I am exposed, for my safety and comfort.

To relate this to our original topic, you are free to use emoji, and I am free to turn emoji on my computer into mojibake. ;)
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Re: The use and abuse of Unicode

Post by moonbat » 2026-03-30, 05:40

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Mæstro wrote:
2026-03-29, 23:51
If I open my video editor and cut out objectionable scenes from an anime
If that's all that your scope is then it isn't censorship. You decide what you want to see or block for yourself and act accordingly. The issue is with other people deciding what you are allowed to see.
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