Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

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Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by suzyne » 2024-10-24, 11:29

From the Vivaldi 7.0 Blog post. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-7-0/
Vivaldi 7.0 isn’t just another update – it’s a brand-new Vivaldi. Whether you’re managing a million tabs, keeping up with deadlines, or just want a smooth, powerful experience, Vivaldi’s new features make sure your browser adapts to you, not the other way around.
Hyperbole, colloquialism, or actually a revolutionary browser update?

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by vannilla » 2024-10-24, 11:52

From an UI point of view, the moment tabs have no more horizontal space and you are forced to rely on favicons and a vertical listing, either as a dropdown menu or as some kind of sidebar, to be able to find the one you need they become indistinguishable from bookmarks.

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Basilisk-Dev » 2024-10-24, 12:11

Finally. This is what I have been looking for years. Sorry guys, Basilisk is cancelled because it can't handle a million tabs.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Moonchild » 2024-10-24, 13:14

I wonder how well Vivaldi would do loading a 1 million domain html file, let alone opening each of the links in a tab XD
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Night Wing » 2024-10-24, 14:38

Since I am not into using/having "gobs" of tabs, this browser does not interest me.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by andyprough » 2024-10-24, 17:54

Today: Thanks to Vivaldi, our long global crisis of not being able to keep a million tabs open has ended!!
Tomorrow: BUT - WHY CAN'T I KEEP 10 MILLION TABS OPEN???

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Tharthan » 2024-10-31, 19:15

My friend moonbat has often expressed frustration with users who have dozens and dozens of tabs open when they browse the Internet.

He points out that it is simpler, less straining on the browser, and more organised to just make an effort to more actively utilise bookmarks.

I think that the dissonance here comes from differences in the manner people browse the Internet.

The people who keep dozens and dozens of tabs open think, I suspect, that they will get to each and every one of those tabs in due time. Rather than "make a bookmark" in this particular situation (think of the literal task of putting a bookmark in a book, and then putting the book back on the shelf,) they would rather have those other tabs right at hand for when they are finished with the active tab.

Of course, this way of thinking (or should I say, browsing) can produce highly comical results when taken to the extreme.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by moonbat » 2024-11-01, 01:54

Tharthan wrote:
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He points out that it is simpler, less straining on the browser, and more organised to just make an effort to more actively utilise bookmarks.
Bookmarks + history. The search bar works perfectly querying both by default, you can type any words that are part of the page title or URL and it will show up from anything that you recently closed. Since I'm not that paranoid, I don't erase my browser history constantly and anything I saw within the last couple of months is easily at hand. Things that are of definite future use go into bookmarks. Also I religiously close tabs once I'm done reading them, even 10 open tabs is too much for me.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Octopuss » 2024-11-03, 07:49

My gf never used bookmarks and instead has gazzilion tabs open in Chrome. I don't get it, it's completely bizarre mess, but then she is an Apple user, so... I don't know :D

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by suzyne » 2024-11-03, 21:15

I use vertical tabs, so the issues are a little different, but what I find hard to understand is how those who like to keep countless sites open cope with the narrow tabs?

On most browsers with horizontal tabs, as more are added, doesn't it keep shrinking the width of the tabs until each one is like the size of the website icon? Looking at a row of "tabs" (they aren't really tabs anymore, are they?) like that hurts my eyes with the mess of different and clashing colours from the icons.

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Moonchild » 2024-11-03, 21:49

suzyne wrote:
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as more are added, doesn't it keep shrinking the width of the tabs until each one is like the size of the website icon?
Not in Pale Moon. It will make the tab bar scrollable (including with the mouse wheel, and double/triple clicking on the arrows for quick paging home/end).
I don't know how Chrome or modern FF handled that off-hand. Edge is stupidly shrinking it down as you say.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Basilisk-Dev » 2024-11-03, 21:53

Moonchild wrote:
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Not in Pale Moon. It will make the tab bar scrollable (including with the mouse wheel, and double/triple clicking on the arrows for quick paging home/end).
I don't know how Chrome or modern FF handled that off-hand. Edge is stupidly shrinking it down as you say.
Modern Firefox still makes the tab bar scrollable. Pretty much all Chromium based browsers shrink the tabs down.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by suzyne » 2024-11-04, 00:18

Basilisk-Dev wrote:
2024-11-03, 21:53
Moonchild wrote:
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Not in Pale Moon. It will make the tab bar scrollable (including with the mouse wheel, and double/triple clicking on the arrows for quick paging home/end).
I don't know how Chrome or modern FF handled that off-hand. Edge is stupidly shrinking it down as you say.
Modern Firefox still makes the tab bar scrollable.
Clearly a sensible idea allowing tabs to scroll so the labels are actually readable, but is it also an enabler for those who keeping "too many" websites open!

So maybe the way Edge works with horizontal tabs can be interpreted as a way of encouraging users to close or bookmark what they aren't needing right now, and that's actually a good thing?
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by vannilla » 2024-11-04, 09:06

suzyne wrote:
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So maybe the way Edge works with horizontal tabs can be interpreted as a way of encouraging users to close or bookmark what they aren't needing right now, and that's actually a good thing?
It's actually the opposite. Scrolling is annoying and looking at the favicon is enough to find each tab, apparently.

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Moonchild » 2024-11-04, 09:52

vannilla wrote:
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Scrolling is annoying and looking at the favicon is enough to find each tab, apparently.
I don't think it is. Unless you open exactly one tab per unique site. Which is... unlikely.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by vannilla » 2024-11-04, 11:54

Moonchild wrote:
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I don't think it is. Unless you open exactly one tab per unique site. Which is... unlikely.
I'm just going by personal anecdotal experience looking at people I know. None of them really want to scroll tabs...

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

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vannilla wrote:
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None of them really want to scroll tabs...
I do it regularly on my Pale Moon, using my mouse wheel. But I guess if you open > 50 tabs in a single window, that becomes tedious. In which case the tab preview pane with filter comes in handy ;)
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Potkeny » 2024-11-04, 17:05

To be fair to Vivaldi, they offer "workspaces" as a feature, which allows you to group tabs in quasi-windows (one vivaldi window, but you only see the tabs of the selected workspace.. I guess with the chromium "every tab is separate" the biggest difference is that you will not have multiple "windows" on taskbar/etc.), and "tabs on the side" are an option too without extensions, which is not as great as Tree Style Tabs (I love it in PM), but it is usable.

Thus with some hotkeys its possible to quickly switch between workspaces and tabs, which is pretty comfy for me (when I have to use all the "non-PM" sites), but I do not think the usefulness of workspaces truly scale to the mentioned 1 000 000 tabs, at that point its really glorified bookmarks..

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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Moonchild » 2024-11-04, 18:01

All in all I think we're taking this all too literally and too seriously ;)
Their "a million tabs" was obviously meant as an expression, not as a real number. That's why it was written as an English phrase and not a number.
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Re: Finally! A browser that can handle up to 1,000,000 tabs?

Post by Mæstro » 2024-11-05, 21:51

Tharthan wrote:
2024-10-31, 19:15
He points out that it is simpler, less straining on the browser, and more organised to just make an effort to more actively utilise bookmarks.

I think that the dissonance here comes from differences in the manner people browse the Internet.

The people who keep dozens and dozens of tabs open think, I suspect, that they will get to each and every one of those tabs in due time. Rather than "make a bookmark" in this particular situation (think of the literal task of putting a bookmark in a book, and then putting the book back on the shelf,) they would rather have those other tabs right at hand for when they are finished with the active tab.
I can speak from my own experience. I use bookmarks to preserve sites which I find dear and I expect will stay dear years hence. Open tabs are for things which are likely to remain relevant in the nearer term (days or weeks), but not in the long term. If I am interested in researching a given subject as part of a hobby, I might open several tabs on the matter and evaluate them at my leisure, closing each when I expect I will need not refer again to it. (It might be weeks for me to realise I will not actually read something that I considered reading.) If I find something I would like to discuss later with a friend, I keep it open until it becomes convenient to mention to him. A tab might stay open to remind me of a general topic as long as that topic remains relevant to my meandering thoughts. It is easier for me to find relevant tabs using the Tab Groups feature than to comb through my history. I keep the history sidebar open, but chiefly for accessing sites I have recently closed or to seek ideas when bored. It is easier to leave a tab open than to try to recall its title.

My tab count changes like the moon: twelve to eighteen are usual for me, but I might open up to a few dozen. It can happen that I forget to close tabs after finding another topic, causing newer subjects to bury older ones like geological strata. If I open more than about thirty tabs, I am more motivated to purge them, that is, actively to delete those which have become irrelevant, but I never do so according to any schedule. While writing this, I have gone from fifteen to five tabs. I cannot say when I began to browse like this, but I know that, as a child, I would keep one or two windows open before tabbed browsing was introduced. Conversely, about 2019, I would formerly bookmark any page which I thought I might wish to revisit, leaving me in due time with over five thousand bookmarks, most unused after a year. This would seem to make nonsense of the purpose of bookmarking; it only works if you remember to delete them, and dozens of tabs are less egregious than thousands of bookmarks. Waves of purges and the newer, more scrupulous approach to bookmarking described above have left me with just thirty-nine still. I do not think my habits are bad or wrong at all. They developed organically, and are simply how I browse.
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