thereisonlyxul.org is back online as SeaMonkey propaganda website

[Theresnothinghere]

http://thereisonlyxul.org/ is back online, but you won't find any UXP projects on the main page.
"There is only SeaMonkey"

[Moonchild]

Suits me fine.

[joydivision47]

I saw this a week ago
"Legacy PM Sources" made me giggle, really? I'd say PM is a lot less "legacy" than Seamonkey in most aspects.
I personally don't mind Seamonkey, used to use it a bit. But it broke a lot more on websites than Pale moon ever did.

[moonbat]

They're under a menu called 'Legacy PM resources'.

[suzyne]

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After seeing it periodically pop-up here in different contexts, I installed SeaMonkey for a play, and was left with a question.  The feature set of the Composer module is so rudimentary, would anyone actually use it today to make web pages?

[jobbautista9]

I'd say PM is a lot less "legacy" than Seamonkey in most aspects.
I personally don't mind Seamonkey, used to use it a bit. But it broke a lot more on websites than Pale moon ever did.

I don't think SeaMonkey supports WebComponents yet

The only thing I'm using SM for nowadays is for its ChatZilla (which incorporated improvements like IRCv3 from Ambassador). Even when it comes to email and Usenet I've moved completely to Epyrus now.

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Is that Rumia in your avatar?

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After seeing it periodically pop-up here in different contexts, I installed SeaMonkey for a play, and was left with a question. The feature set of the Composer module is so rudimentary, would anyone actually use it today to make web pages?

I sometimes use Composer to quickly create tables

[athenian200]

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After seeing it periodically pop-up here in different contexts, I installed SeaMonkey for a play, and was left with a question. The feature set of the Composer module is so rudimentary, would anyone actually use it today to make web pages?

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As far as I know, it's a legacy component that the SeaMonkey devs hold onto because of tradition more than anything else. There were several forks of the Composer module that sought to improve it, but SeaMonkey never bothered integrating any of those changes into their version. They kept it primitive, and unfortunately all the forks of Composer died sooner or later, even though they were superior to what survives in SeaMonkey itself. It's kind of a shame, really.

I saw this a week ago
"Legacy PM Sources" made me giggle, really? I'd say PM is a lot less "legacy" than Seamonkey in most aspects.
I personally don't mind Seamonkey, used to use it a bit. But it broke a lot more on websites than Pale moon ever did.

I just never could get into SeaMonkey, because it wasn't interesting to me. I mean... if my e-mail client crashes when the browser does, how is that any better than just having a tab for webmail? I don't know. I mean, I guess in some ways we owe SeaMonkey a debt of gratitude for being the first project to ever attempt to diverge significantly from Mozilla. Without having learned from their mistakes, we might never have gotten as far with this project as we did.

[joydivision47]

I guess in some ways we owe SeaMonkey a debt of gratitude for being the first project to ever attempt to diverge significantly from Mozilla. Without having learned from their mistakes, we might never have gotten as far with this project as we did.

I can respect them for actually going in their own direction and their dedication to holding out, rather than just following Firefox and Thunderbird.
The Netscape-era UI is nice. Especially with the GNOMErunner theme on GTK+.

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Is that Rumia in your avatar?

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Yeah! I like your Mima avatar!!
I should check out the PC-98 games again, haven't really played much Touhou in the past couple of years.

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After seeing it periodically pop-up here in different contexts, I installed SeaMonkey for a play, and was left with a question. The feature set of the Composer module is so rudimentary, would anyone actually use it today to make web pages?

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I might just not be familiar enough with it or other html editors like it (I barely know HTML for starters) but especially when it comes to formatting it just feels very incomplete compared to something like Notepad++.
I like that I can view the icons for HTML tags on the webpage.

[jobbautista9]

I can respect them for actually going in their own direction and their dedication to holding out, rather than just following Firefox and Thunderbird.

Well, I'm not sure if that holding out was actually dedication or just the reality that their resources are very limited and can't follow FF and TB into e10s and abandoning XUL (which they wanted). They've tried to rebase into Firefox 60 for SeaMonkey 2.57 which would've killed XUL, brought in full WebExtensions support, and introduced e10s, but they eventually decided in their 15 January 2023 meeting that it no longer makes sense to pour resources into making 2.57 actually happen. It's just too much effort; WEs are made with the Australis (and later on Photon and Proton) UI in mind which SM obviously didn't have, and e10s is made tricky by the fact that they're not just a web browser (it took years for Thunderbird to even get e10s despite having rebased to mozilla-esr60+ IIRC). However, despite that they still act like they will be making a new version based on the latest Mozilla codebase, as evidenced by their wiki homepage.

So they're stuck with a codebase based on 56 ESR (which makes them alone now that Waterfox Classic is no longer maintained since December 2022), and they want to be more autonomous from Mozilla but not really (despite having their own website and GitLab repo for 2.53 they still use Mozilla's bugzilla as well as their Mercurial repo for comm-central despite the fact that SeaMonkey just doesn't build at all with the current mozilla-central + comm-central source code)... Pretty weird situation really.

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Yeah! I like your Mima avatar!!
I should check out the PC-98 games again, haven't really played much Touhou in the past couple of years.

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Haha, glad to know I'm not the only Touhou fan here! And tbh I've been wanting to change this avatar to another Mima since it's supposed to have been for Christmas season only, but I'm lazy and she looks really cute here lol

[Moonchild]

I actually do find it ironic that he decided to go all out promoting SeaMonkey which he has relentlessly been bashing over the years I've known him for exactly the lack of advancement.

I guess in some ways we owe SeaMonkey a debt of gratitude for being the first project to ever attempt to diverge significantly from Mozilla.

Wasn't it the other way around? SeaMonkey was there first and was Mozilla's initial foray into open-sourcing Netscape, and it was Firefox that forked off and became their focus to put all their resources in later on...

[joydivision47]

Well, I'm not sure if that holding out was actually dedication or just the reality that their resources are very limited and can't follow FF and TB into e10s and abandoning XUL (which they wanted). They've tried to rebase into Firefox 60 for SeaMonkey 2.57 which would've killed XUL, brought in full WebExtensions support, and introduced e10s, but they eventually decided in their 15 January 2023 meeting that it no longer makes sense to pour resources into making 2.57 actually happen.

Oh i forgot about that.
First time i read it I thought that they were gonna try and do something like Waterfox classic and keep XUL while adding WE support, rather then getting rid of it. In that case I retract what I said earlier if they're trying to get rid of XUL from their browser (at least they're keeping the UI! I think...).
As for e10s, I thought they had already introduced that? From what I know Seamonkey is multi-process (Unless e10s specifically means the multi-processing Firefox Quantum uses, I wouldn't know lmao).

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Haha, glad to know I'm not the only Touhou fan here! And tbh I've been wanting to change this avatar to another Mima since it's supposed to have been for Christmas season only, but I'm lazy and she looks really cute here lol

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Up to you if you wanna keep it or not. I tend to change my avatar a ton on places I visit often (some weird habit of mine I built up) but If you think an avatar is cute you should totally stick with it

[jobbautista9]

First time i read it I thought that they were gonna try and do something like Waterfox classic and keep XUL while adding WE support, rather then getting rid of it. In that case I retract what I said earlier if they're trying to get rid of XUL from their browser

I think at some point in the middle they did realize they will have to keep XUL overlay add-ons support alive for a bit longer when 2.57 was still being developed, since rewriting every single part of the UI to not use XUL is going to take forever.. And there is some precedent to this in another non-Firefox project which is Thunderbird where they did keep some support until version 78 (though their way of doing it from version 68 which is an "overlay loader" looked more like a hack)

(at least they're keeping the UI! I think...).

That seems like the only thing guaranteed to be kept, yes. And probably what doomed the whole 2.57 effort if UI also means the entire suite (i.e. including the mail, IRC, Composer, etc.)

As for e10s, I thought they had already introduced that? From what I know Seamonkey is multi-process (Unless e10s specifically means the multi-processing Firefox Quantum uses, I wouldn't know lmao).

Nope, they disabled it by default. During development towards 2.57 they had to turn it off in about:config when mozilla-central flipped it on in their libpref: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1410614

And yes I'm referring to the multi-process of Quantum.

[Basilisk-Dev]

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It would be funny if someone were to buy thereisonlyuxp.org and make it the same thing but just for UXP-based stuff.