Your Browser, Your Way Watch

[suzyne]

This issue of other browsers using the Pale Moon tagline of Your Browser, Your Way came up in another post.

Instead of cluttering up and continuing that thread, I made a new topic for this (and any more?) sightings.

From the Ecosia Browser page https://www.ecosia.org/browser

[Moonchild]

I really wish this wasn't necessary, but I guess it's just too easy of a phrase to come up with.

[Basilisk-Dev]

I feel like unfortunately it's such a generic phrase that anyone could come up with it and not realize that another established browser is already using it.

I used to go to a local Texmex place where their slogan was "Your burrito, your way."

[Moonchild]

Yeah, it's a point to make, hence my sentiment in my previous post. However, customization is our core feature for this project and absolutely central, which is why I trademarked it to begin with to use. Just because something is "a generic phrase one could think up" doesn't mean it's not a valid trademark. Heck, a lot more egregious examples are alive and well, like the USPS trademarking "The Post Office" -- in comparison, my claim here is hardly outlandishly common and the same sentiment can be expressed many other ways.

[Moonchild]

Ecosia has responded and changed the wording on their browser site to avoid the conflict.

Arc/The Browser Company of New York are still not responding to me (nearly a month since they were put on notice) and I'm looking into law firms to move forward with defending my trademark there. I'd rather not have this headache, but just ignoring it and hoping I go away is the wrong response from them.

[Moonchild]

Arc finally responded and has promised to remove the mark from their website (the only occurrence according to them) within the week.

[suzyne]

That's great to get some wins without the expense of a lawyer.

[jobbautista9]

Zen Browser also uses "Your Browser, Your Way" in its website and GitHub org.

https://zen-browser.app/
https://github.com/zen-browser

[Moonchild]

Zen Browser also uses "Your Browser, Your Way" in its website and GitHub org.

https://zen-browser.app/
https://github.com/zen-browser

They really should do a few searches before they use mission statements/catch phrases so prominently for a new product...
https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/issues/1931

[Moonchild]

Well, that went sideways fast.

Looks like Zen will continue to carry the mission statement in defiance, because "the country the dev is located in does not recognize common law trademark". And when asked which country that was, the response was "we're not disclosing personal information".. really? not even the country?

Never mind that they will be distributing the browser in locations where it is recognized.

[Basilisk-Dev]

Looks like Zen will continue to carry the mission statement in defiance, because "the country the dev is located in does not recognize common law trademark". And when asked which country that was, the response was "we're not disclosing personal information".. really? not even the country?

Not sure if I can actually be helpful here in any way, but if you need any help with this I am happy to help out since I am US-based.

[Moonchild]

After some more private communication with the dev and explanation about trademarks, Zen has changed their website to no longer carry the mark.

If 4chan goers read this: apparently some efforts are made to doxx the dev...? Please don't. That's completely unnecessary and uncalled for and I don't condone that kind of stupidity.

[Basilisk-Dev]

I also found a Reddit thread about the Zen issue. Not sure if you saw it or not. There is a lot of misguided advice in there being delivered to the Zen developer: https://old.reddit.com/r/opensource/com ... ny_advise/

[jobbautista9]

And they're even claiming that Moonchild is "very often active" in 4chan's /g/. They're literally just making shit up at this point lol. And comparing to the 6 year old OpenBSD issue? The opening comment in the GitHub issue today was a lot more polite and considerate than that disaster by Tobin!

Anyway it's a relief to see it got settled without any litigation in the end

[Moonchild]

It's the problem with people having opinions and not having a legal background and getting unfiltered channels to "give advice".
And no, I didn't see the reddit thing (and have no desire to check it right now either, I have release engineering to do). I don't really do reddit at all, anyway.
Quite likely the 4channers got the idea from Reddit then, not the github discussion. :/

[Moonchild]

And they're even claiming that Moonchild is "very often active" in 4chan's /g/. They're literally just making shit up at this point lol.

Wow XD

No, I wouldn't touch 4chan with a 10 ft. pole!
Maybe there's someone else with the alias "Moonchild" active there but it's not a too uncommon name to begin with (blame hippies for that), and it's most definitely not me

[jobbautista9]

Off-topic:
I knew that "cookiengineer" person was familiar.. This is the same person who made the mistake of adding a 4chan joke as an option in a poll for the name of an Audacity fork. I still remember that controversy very well, lol: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/s ... ontroversy

Idk why the hell they would target us of all people in their anti-4chan crusade though

[Basilisk-Dev]

And they're even claiming that Moonchild is "very often active" in 4chan's /g/. They're literally just making shit up at this point lol.

Off-topic:
They downvoted my question asking for proof that members of the Pale Moon community are active on 4chan without actually providing proof that we are active on 4chan as if it's supposed to be common knowledge that everyone knows about or something. I found that humorous,

[RealityRipple]

I love that literally only three comments even mentioned the word "common".

[Basilisk-Dev]

Off-topic:
They downvoted my question asking for proof that members of the Pale Moon community are active on 4chan without actually providing proof that we are active on 4chan as if it's supposed to be common knowledge that everyone knows about or something. I found that humorous,

Off-topic:
I couldn't edit the post, so I'll reply to it instead. They outright removed my comment where I requested proof of the claim that we are active on 4chan lol