Fedora to stop shipping Xorg in Fedora 41.

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One more reason for Pale Moon to consider eventually getting back into Android.

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I don't know about the Xorg issues, but it is almost impossible to imagine Pale Moon running on my phone with a 6.4 inch touch screen. So many Android browsers feel like they are related in name only as they are pale imitations of their bigger desktop version. If ever there was one perhaps it could be called Pale Pale Moon or Pale² Moon?

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Off-topic:

perhaps it could be called Pale Pale Moon or Pale² Moon?

Whiter Shade of Pale Moon?

[andyprough]

Off-topic:
I don't know about the Xorg issues, but it is almost impossible to imagine Pale Moon running on my phone with a 6.4 inch touch screen. So many Android browsers feel like they are related in name only as they are pale imitations of their bigger desktop version. If ever there was one perhaps it could be called Pale Pale Moon or Pale² Moon?

Looks pretty good on my android tablet when I run it in a Debian virtual machine. The world is full of Android devices that are bigger than a phone. I think it should be a thing, but unfortunately the devs don't ever
seem to see it my way.

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Looks pretty good on my android tablet when I run it in a Debian virtual machine. The world is full of Android devices that are bigger than a phone.

I love using my 8" tablet as a laptop substitute, too. But what is happening here is using the tablet as a small screen for a desktop app, so it isn't really an indication of how an Android Pale Moon would go, is it?

When a browser has to operate within the restrictions of an Android UI and touch screen (the last time I discussed on this forum that I use my tablet with a keyboard and mouse, it was pointed out that such use was idiosyncratic, and more of a rare exception) the feature equivalence of the mobile browsers that share the name of a desktop version rapidly deteriorates.

It would be interesting to know more about those global share stats, like the proportion of small vs larger screen Android devices. I suspect that the majority could be budget phones with tiny (< 5") screens.

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the last time I discussed on this forum that I use my tablet with a keyboard and mouse, it was pointed out that such use was idiosyncratic, and more of a rare exception

Well, people on this forum will tell you all kinds of things. People on this forum will tell you that you are perfectly safe using unsupported versions of Windows with no anti-virus software. The fact is that there are hundreds of millions of Android tablets and Android laptops and so forth in use in the world. I use my tablet daily and do a lot of work and study on it. It's a significant market, and there's no really good browsers available for it. Just think of all the Kindles that are in use in America - there must be at least 10s of millions of them. I wouldn't think you would have to use a mouse-driven menu system, devs could probably alter a lot of the menus to be touch-driven with bigger buttons and better use of space for touch screens.

It would be interesting to know more about those global share stats, like the proportion of small vs larger screen Android devices. I suspect that the majority could be budget phones with tiny (< 5") screens.

You can look at a lot of different numbers on statcounter: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-mark ... /worldwide
You can look at browser share, OS share, share by device size and type, share by screen size and type. You can look at regions, like the US, Africa, India, Asia, Europe, etc. The problem is I doubt that the statcounter data is terribly accurate. But it's something interesting to look at.

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It's a significant market, and there's no really good browsers available for it.

The Android version of Vivaldi works really well on my tablet, and my phone. I guess depending on your definition of what makes a good browser, Vivaldi may not make the grade, but I wouldn't expect Pale Moon to do well if it went up against it.

You can look at a lot of different numbers on statcounter: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-mark ... /worldwide
You can look at browser share, OS share, share by device size and type, share by screen size and type. You can look at regions, like the US, Africa, India, Asia, Europe, etc. The problem is I doubt that the statcounter data is terribly accurate. But it's something interesting to look at.

That does look interesting, thanks!

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The Android version of Vivaldi works really well on my tablet, and my phone. I guess depending on your definition of what makes a good browser, Vivaldi may not make the grade, but I wouldn't expect Pale Moon to do well if it went up against it.

Vivaldi is nice for sure, and I've used Brave on Android. The trouble is they are both chromium based, so they use a lot of memory, and they are subject to chromium's frequent zero day exploits (practically monthly over the past five years - you can't really go a single day safely without upgrading to their latest versions).

Pale Moon on Android would use fewer resources and would be safer simply by the fact of not using any chromium code. I think there could be a significant niche for it.