Cost of living pressures helped me decide to cancel Netflix

[suzyne]

Seriously, I feel sorry for the Pale Moon team and all the criticism that they are attracting at the moment. 

But recent topics and threads here have provided more than enough drama for me to follow that I am not yet missing my previous subscription.

[athenian200]

Seriously, I feel sorry for the Pale Moon team and all the criticism that they are attracting at the moment. 

But recent topics and threads here have provided more than enough drama for me to follow that I am not yet missing my previous subscription.

Yeah, honestly Netflix isn't a great use of money if you just watch for entertainment... I got rid of it a while ago because they raised the price to over $10 a month, and once it hit that threshold, it was expensive enough that it was too "visible" for me.

I gotta admit, the drama in this place can be pretty fascinating and interesting to follow if you're the type of person who can keep up with the conversations and finds the topics interesting. I feel as though even while talking about ostensibly developing a web browser, we wind up confronting a lot of philosophical questions about authority, security, freedom, sustainability, etc. Seriously, I probably spend almost as much time contemplating the big questions about why we do things the way we do them as I do actually writing code for the browser...

Honestly, I was a regular forum poster long before I ever started working on UXP. And truth be told, I probably am better at correcting people on the forum, explaining historical context involving Pale Moon, and justifying various philosophical positions on issues than I am at fixing Epyrus or UXP bugs...

Though I would like to think I am getting better at doing the actual work over time, even if I'm not the most disciplined about focusing purely on work rather than getting lost in discussions about the thing I'm working on.

[Mæstro]

I gotta admit, the drama in this place can be pretty fascinating and interesting to follow if you're the type of person who can keep up with the conversations and finds the topics interesting. I feel as though even while talking about ostensibly developing a web browser, we wind up confronting a lot of philosophical questions about authority, security, freedom, sustainability, etc. Seriously, I probably spend almost as much time contemplating the big questions about why we do things the way we do them as I do actually writing code for the browser...

Would there be any interest in a Discord group or the like for Pale Moon enthusiasts who want to talk about other things? To be clear, this would not be a support group for the browser, but a place for us to chat freely about these things. I would be happy to run one.

[Pentium4User]

I gotta admit, the drama in this place can be pretty fascinating and interesting to follow if you're the type of person who can keep up with the conversations and finds the topics interesting. I feel as though even while talking about ostensibly developing a web browser, we wind up confronting a lot of philosophical questions about authority, security, freedom, sustainability, etc. Seriously, I probably spend almost as much time contemplating the big questions about why we do things the way we do them as I do actually writing code for the browser...

Would there be any interest in a Discord group or the like for Pale Moon enthusiasts who want to talk about other things? To be clear, this would not be a support group for the browser, but a place for us to chat freely about these things. I would be happy to run one.

Why don't use the OT forum here for that?
People are already there and it does not require a crappy software like Discord.

[suzyne]

crappy software like Discord

I didn't think I would need to wait long before such a comment, and I my expectations are fulfilled.

[Moonchild]

crappy software like Discord

I didn't think I would need to wait long before such a comment, and I my expections are fulfilled.

I use it on a daily basis and it's not crappy in my opinion - so to each their own. If you hate it you don't have to use it.

[FranklinDM]

Just a suggestion and since it was already mentioned, I think it would be better to expand the existing Pale Moon discord server instead? Things like adding an off-topic text and voice channel there.

[Mæstro]

We have got an official Discord server already?

Why don't use the OT forum here for that?
People are already there and it does not require a [—] software like Discord.

I would prefer Jabber or even IRC, but I tolerate Discord.

[FranklinDM]

We have got an official Discord server already?

Yeah, more or less. It was used as a temporary measure when the forum went down last year but it's still up: https://discord.gg/pnf85NR6

[athenian200]

Would there be any interest in a Discord group or the like for Pale Moon enthusiasts who want to talk about other things? To be clear, this would not be a support group for the browser, but a place for us to chat freely about these things. I would be happy to run one.

Honestly, Discord would be more convenient for me than something like IRC, since I already have to use it for other things. I'm aware that it's not the kind of choice that's philosophically aligned with Pale Moon's mission, though, and that I look bad for using it. LOL.

I would prefer Jabber or even IRC, but I tolerate Discord.

I would honestly much rather use Jabber than IRC, I was only tolerating IRC because it was a BinOC policy decision that we do everything on IRC, it wasn't my preference at all, except maybe that I wanted to keep Ambassador relevant and felt like we needed to do IRC for that reason back when Isengrim was still around. But if it were up to me? I'd probably prefer something a little more modern than IRC, because IRC doesn't play nice with mobile devices at all, and doesn't do a good job with notifications or letting me see what people were saying while I wasn't logged in.

I'm not totally opposed to just having a place to hang out and talk, though I really wouldn't want us to be obligated to provide support there or officially moderate it.

[Moonchild]

I'm fine with giving the discord server more exposure but my main issue with it is as I said before the need for moderation.

[Massacre]

I use it on a daily basis and it's not crappy in my opinion - so to each their own. If you hate it you don't have to use it.

Do you use it with Pale Moon? Or prefer its Electron client?

[frostknight]

Why don't use the OT forum here for that?
People are already there and it does not require a crappy software like Discord.

I consider it to be crappy also, but then I feel that way about twitter, facebook and other similar things.

I don't like fisher price modem software.

If its nice and bright and shiny, if its made by people more interested in attracting more people at the expense of security and stablity then I consider it to fisher price modem software or if it does any malware nonsense like data collection or similar or worse.

If it meets a specific amount of those criteria in enough volume.

I use it on a daily basis and it's not crappy in my opinion - so to each their own. If you hate it you don't have to use it.

However, this is indeed true.

[suzyne]

Off-topic:

fisher price modem software.

I love this phrase.

I hadn't come across the concept before joining this forum, but it is so evocative! I have seen variations of the fisher price theme in comments about Windows XP, touch screen mobile apps, and now discord! Have I missed anything?

Such a multifaceted criticism.

[Basilisk-Dev]

Seriously, I feel sorry for the Pale Moon team and all the criticism that they are attracting at the moment. 

What are/were the criticisms they are attracting at the moment? Was there something I missed?

[frostknight]

I hadn't come across the concept before joining this forum, but it is so evocative! I have seen variations of the fisher price theme in comments about Windows XP, touch screen mobile apps, and now discord! Have I missed anything?

Such a multifaceted criticism.

Means its meant to be so eye candy friendly, ie, very shiny in a graphical way that it also looks mega ugly or its a bloated piece of crap. Case in point, in particular windows vista or newer.

I also think windows 98 or newer fits this bill though.

But that might be just me.

If its fisher price like, it also seems to be made in a way that shows the main thing of importance is the eye candy aspect. Everything else is less than secondary by comparison.

I saw fisher price used when me or others lagged in games like starcraft back in the 2005+

Fisher price modem was used as a game save name to reveal the lagger. My favorite way for people to reveal the lagger was that back then.

It was hysterical the first time I saw it. LOL!

So... its definitely an old concept. But in that case, it was used to indicate someone using old technology, etc...

[suzyne]

What are/were the criticisms they are attracting at the moment?

I guess I found the AVX and NoScript threads the most critical and full of drama.

[athenian200]

I guess I found the AVX and NoScript threads the most critical and full of drama.

That's far from the worst we've dealt with. The kind of stuff you see on the AVX and NoScript threads is just an average day for us, things are a lot better than they used to be even with all that going on.

[suzyne]

That's far from the worst we've dealt with.

I guess it is all relative compared to past issues that you may have dealt with, but as a relative newcomer, the AVX debate is giving me plenty of material to read and think about, and it keeps getting revived as someone new comes onboard.

It may well be mild and business as usual for you and the team, but this is easily the most lively and divided forum that I belong to.

[frostknight]

Not meaning to bring up old wounds, but the negativity that this forum has is nowhere near as bad, I think because Moonchild is running this without Tobin having a part of the forum or the work.

He was sometimes very toxic with his commenting.

I hope he doing better though mentally now that he has had time to himself.