Left/right "misinformation"

[Sajadi]

EVERYTHING which is not from the leftist spectrum is called today "misinformation" - this word has to be taken with more than a grain of salt - "Misinformation" as a term is as meaningless as the term Nazi today.

Because in a world where leftists dominate every single aspect of society, EVERYTHING they do not like is flagged as one of both.

And they do not care if the accusations hit Conservatives, Apolitical or Centrist people or even Leftists who are not following 100% their own agenda.

[daemonspudguy]

EVERYTHING which is not from the leftist spectrum is called today "misinformation" - this word has to be taken with more than a grain of salt - "Misinformation" as a term is as meaningless as the term Nazi today.

Because in a world where leftists dominate every single aspect of society, EVERYTHING they do not like is flagged as one of both.

And they do not care if the accusations hit Conservatives, Apolitical or Centrist people or even Leftists who are not following 100% their own agenda.

Are we living on the same planet Earth, because I don't know where you're getting the idea that leftists dominate society. I certainly don't experience such domination of society, living in the most conservative area of Ohio. Where does "the left" dominate society?

[moonbat]

Where does "the left" dominate society?

Only the entire media, entertainment industry, corporate marketing, government agencies, primary & higher education, think tanks, NGOs and celebrities and public figures that work for or run these institutions for the last few decades have been pimping these shitty ideas as anyone not living under a rock would observe. Just because your neighbors in a conservative corner of Ohio may like to fly the American flag, support Trump or attend church regularly doesn't make them representative of the world at large.

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[daemonspudguy]

Where does "the left" dominate society?

Only the entire media, entertainment industry, corporate marketing, government agencies, primary & higher education, think tanks, NGOs and celebrities and public figures that work for or run these institutions for the last few decades have been pimping these shitty ideas as anyone not living under a rock would observe. Just because your neighbors in a conservative corner of Ohio may like to fly the American flag, support Trump or attend church regularly doesn't make them representative of the world at large.
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I'm genuinely concerned for your mental health if you think this is the way the world is. This is the kind of rhetoric cranks like Alex Jones are spreading.

[daemonspudguy]

Also, anyone who is upholding the system of capitalism is not the left. No one who holds any significant amount of power in the US is part of the left. Marxism and post-modernism are fundamentally opposed, nor are post-modernists "denying reality." No think-tanks that have enough influence to guide government policy are leftist. The education system is still heavily anti-socialist.

[moonbat]

I'm even more concerned for your denial of reality from the cave you seem to be posting from if you continue to ignore what's plainly evident and act as though this is some obscure conspiracy theory.
And newsflash - modern leftism is the mutated form of what was original class focused socialism. Like I said, get with the times, the no true Scotsman fallacy is ever the usual fallback position.

[daemonspudguy]

I'm even more concerned for your denial of reality from the cave you seem to be posting from if you continue to ignore what's plainly evident and act as though this is some obscure conspiracy theory.
And newsflash - modern leftism is the mutated form of what was original class focused socialism. Like I said, get with the times, the no true Scotsman fallacy is ever the usual fallback position.

Ok, I'll try asking this. Who is "the left" in your mind? Who are the thought leaders?

[Moonchild]

Split this political tangent off.

[daemonspudguy]

Where does "the left" dominate society?

Only the entire media, entertainment industry, corporate marketing, government agencies, primary & higher education, think tanks, NGOs and celebrities and public figures that work for or run these institutions for the last few decades have been pimping these shitty ideas as anyone not living under a rock would observe. Just because your neighbors in a conservative corner of Ohio may like to fly the American flag, support Trump or attend church regularly doesn't make them representative of the world at large.
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You're also telling me to wake up while spreading climate change denying nonsense of which this appears to literally be the second copy in existence because the only other hit for this image is an obscure Swedish website that also has a bunch of bizarre anti-Semitic conspiracy theories? Ok.

[mrnhmath]

Socialism, in true Marxist definition, is class focused. Classes and their internal and external struggles in all spheres of life is the core of the socialist/communist ideology and science. Anything that claims or is attributted to as "socialism" without being a by-product of dialectical and historical materialism analysis is not socialism, but just one of the many shades of liberalism, the ideology and superstructure apparatus of the bourgeoise. Revisionism is the term Marxists use to pinpoint when and where liberalism tries to paint itself with a red facade.

[daemonspudguy]

Apparently that's woke, politically correct, falsehood now. Either that or the entire system of US-dominated global capitalism is suddenly actually marxist. Or maybe Moonbat is just incorrect about what leftism is. Wait, no. Can't be that one. /s

[moonbat]

You're also telling me to wake up while spreading climate change denying nonsense of which this appears to literally be the second copy in existence because the only other hit for this image is an obscure Swedish website that also has a bunch of bizarre anti-Semitic conspiracy theories? Ok.

Ah yes, when your regular gaslighting fails, shoot the messenger and add a dash of imagined anti-Semitism.
Have you got any actual argument against or refutation to the chart? Oh wait, that would require you to actually take a look at the world beyond your corner of Ohio.

Socialism, in true Marxist definition, is class focused

Yes, except that didn't work because of bi-directional class mobility. Modern lefty ideology replaces class warfare with what's totally immutable - gender/race/ethnicity/sexual orientation where one side is a permanent oppressor and the other is a permanent victim. Everything else is still there - collective guilt, a massive sense of entitlement, zero sum thinking about wealth gain and a worldview that's completely illiterate about basic economics. Unless that's also now an evil capitalist conspiracy theory.

As we know, popular culture, the education system and media are all extolling the virtues of the free market, pulling oneself up by the bootstraps and becoming rich by working hard.

Either that or the entire system of US-dominated global capitalism is suddenly actually marxist

You sure love your strawmen, don't you?

[daemonspudguy]

Pro tip: /s means that the preceding text was sarcastic. You also still have yet to answer that question of who the left is.

[daemonspudguy]

Who are the left? Who is in control that believes the workers and not the wealthy class should own the factories, the farms, all the other means of production? Who is in control that wants to abolish the police? Who is in control that believes hierarchies are things we invented and not innate? I can't try to refute what you're saying if you don't even say something that is refutable. So far, all you've given me to try to refute is a chart that is such a logical leap that I've seen Alex Jones come up with a more coherent argument, insults, strawman arguments, and a bunch of insults. I can't refute something based on attacks and a chart saying that Al fucking Gore is a Marxist.

[mrnhmath]

Yes, except that didn't work

What didn't work? What does "working" mean in this context?

Historical socialist experiences prove that classes are bound to struggle until the very reason that they exist in the first place remains. The social-imperialist Chinese state is a prime exemple of what happens when the bourgeoise gets the upper hand in the middle of protracted struggle for communism.

class mobility

Social mobility is statistically insignificant, especially when we're talking in Marxist terms.

Modern lefty ideology replaces class warfare with what's totally immutable - gender/race/ethnicity/sexual orientation where one side is a permanent oppressor and the other is a permanent victim. Everything else is still there - collective guilt, a massive sense of entitlement, zero sum thinking about wealth gain and a worldview that's completely illiterate about basic economics. Unless that's also now an evil capitalist conspiracy theory.

Replacing the core of socialism with identity issues is one of the main weapons that liberals use to divide and cloud proletarian consciousness.

[moonbat]

Pro tip: /s means that the preceding text was sarcastic. You also still have yet to answer that question of who the left is.

Really? I totally didn't know that, it's not as though there's a sarcasm tag right here that I've been using in this thread.

The rest of your word salad shows you ignored whatever I said about how modern leftism has changed the name of the game.

[daemonspudguy]

I'm not gonna bother trying to understand what you're trying to say because you continue to refuse answering my fucking question. Continue screaming incoherently in this thread. I'm not bothering anymore.

[jobbautista9]

where leftists dominate every single aspect of society

As someone who lives in a country where being a leftist (even as simple as telling the government that they should support their rice farmers more can get you tagged as a communist!) can get you assassinated; where there's a culture of fear in parents afraid of sending their children to the University of the Philippines (which is one of the most prestigious universities, mind you); a culture where they're afraid that their children will turn left, but not really because they think leftism is bad but because they do not want their child to get killed by the military... And I don't even consider myself left as much as I did before! All I can say about this is:

I fucking wish!

[van p]

moonbat, where did you get the graphic shown in your 1st post in this thread? Thanks.

[moonbat]

Don't recall, was probably Reddit or Imgur or somewhere.