Windows 11 still sucks.

[Moonchild]

If Microsoft were to burn down tomorrow, how would you personally notice?

I'd probably only notice a few things:

1. My code signing would stop working (currently using Azure).
2. No longer getting Defender updates.
3. Some Microsoft-hosted websites (not sure which) would no longer be reachable until the domain owners move their hosting elsewhere.

And that's pretty much it.

Unlike if I used Windows 11 OOB, where I would no longer be able to use my OS because Microsoft account, or some such.

[Night Wing]

I ran across this video a few days ago. A little more "adding fuel to the fire" concerning Windows 11 and Microsoft. And this video is why more of our customers at our computer repair shop are ditching retail, not enterprise, Windows 11 for Linux distros (or Apple).

Enterprise Windows 11 is still entrenched in the Business community. And this is why Satya Nadella is loved by Microsoft's shareholders, but not Retail customers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyfZBp8t0bg

[Moonchild]

Enterprise Windows 11 is still entrenched in the Business community.

They are rapidly losing government customers in Europe now, though.

[Night Wing]

Enterprise Windows 11 is still entrenched in the Business community.

They are rapidly losing government customers in Europe now, though.

I knew Germany was replacing Windows 11and other Microsoft products. Looks like France, Denmark and Austria are now doing the same. Smart move on those counties part.

[Mæstro]

My friend sent his last IM from Windows 11 tonight; he has finally taken the plunge to Linux. I am still waiting to hear back from him, for he is installing it as we speak. I hope all goes well on his end.

Coincidentally, I read today that Windows 11 has improved in one way today, one which it ought to have permitted from the beginning, if the situation requiring it ever existed at all. One can now uninstall Copilot in Home edition. Since Copilot ought never to have existed, and software removal ought always to be straightforward, I cannot consider this improvement substantial. My standards are just too high.

[ownedbywuigi]

I'm still on WinServer2022 (last decent Windows version unless I can de-11 Server2025 somehow), I want to take the plunge to macOS but macOS is also having it's own stability problems.

[Moonchild]

My standards are just too high.

I think not being force-fed impacting pieces of software you don't want is a right everyone should have. That's not a high standard.

It does seem Microslop finally, after years, got part of the message that no, we don't want this shit that looks good in investor meetings. We want an O.S. that doesn't get in the way of what we want to do. It's where 11 and 10 differ. Win 11 gets in the way all... the... time...

unless I can de-11 Server2025 somehow

I don't think it's possible. My new Win VPS came with Server 2025 initially. I spent about a week and a half on it trying to do just that and eventually just threw all my work away, wiped the VPS and installed Server 2022.

[ownedbywuigi]

unless I can de-11 Server2025 somehow

I don't think it's possible. My new Win VPS came with Server 2025 initially. I spent about a week and a half on it trying to do just that and eventually just threw all my work away, wiped the VPS and installed Server 2022.

My goodness. I just want to try and get the native NVMe stack from Server 2025 onto Server 2022. That's the only "positive" of Server 2025 compared to Server 2022 I really care about.

Off-topic:
TLDR Windows emulates SCSI for every non SCSI device including NVMe, and MS finally made a native (not emulating SCSI) stack for JUST NVMe with double the drive speeds and reduced latency. I asked the Windows Server team via email if it was possible to backport said NVMe stack to WinServ2022 and they just said it was "not possible".

I know some vendors already have truely native NVMe stacks but most don't go through the effort of doing such and just use the generic NVMe driver.

Before you ask, Linux had also been doing the same thing until like a decade ago, so this isn't a MS exclusive issue. Apple on the other hand, never emulates SCSI on OS X.

[UCyborg]

The idea of either Microsoft or Google burning down is a pipe dream.

I'm sure, if it happened somehow, it would send the ripples through the fabric of reality.

[andyprough]

Before you ask, Linux had also been doing the same thing until like a decade ago, so this isn't a MS exclusive issue.

Sounds like it IS an MS issue for the last decade.

A decade during which, if I recall correctly, one of the most bloated and cranky distros of all (Ubuntu) regularly boatraced Windows in most of the Phoronix head-to-head benchmark tests.

[Mæstro]

Microsoft’s collapse could affect me in another way I had not considered: DuckDuckGo would fail. Likewise, Google would take Startpage, Waterfox’s default search, down with it. Mojeek is always there, of course, if its image search, last I checked, leaves much to be desired. In the end, Microsoft and Google are not immutable forces of nature, but US American joint-stock firms, and will share in the general fate of laissez-faire capitalism in the USA, whatever that may be.

I think not being force-fed impacting pieces of software you don't want is a right everyone should have. That's not a high standard.

I agree, of course. Too high is relative here.
Hearing that the Server edition can no longer be redeemed suggests that terminal decline has indeed set in, although how long it should last is impossible to predict. If i try to speculate, I shall almost surely be disproven and look rather silly. Even calling it terminal might be too much, if Microsoft should ever pull a rabbit out of the hat and make something competent again.

[frostknight]

The idea of either Microsoft or Google burning down is a pipe dream.

I would bet two things,

A: your partially wrong

and

B: It would however take a enormous eff up even for microsoft.

Basically, I don't think its impossible, but I think something catastrophic would have to happen.

You are mostly right, but if I had to guess, if microsoft did something that knocked off the majority of computers, they would see such a large drop in their shareholder value.

I don't think this will happen for a long time, though.

Unless they make an OS that's 70% made by vibe coding as they call it

[Moonchild]

The idea of either Microsoft or Google burning down is a pipe dream.

As we've seen, even Goliaths can topple and fall. The real misconception that's been propagated for a long time now is that something is "too big to fail". Nothing is. It may be harder, and no individual person or entity (or sometimes even government) can cause failure, but there's no "magic class" of orgs that is beyond failure just because of their sheer size.

Hearing that the Server edition can no longer be redeemed suggests that terminal decline has indeed set in, although how long it should last is impossible to predict.

I'm not saying it's outright impossible, just that I, with my pretty long history in the depths of the Windows O.S., was not able to do it. I don't think it's wise to project that to fact; it's my opinion that I don't think it's possible. I said it that way for a reason
Just because I, a single admin, wasn't able to do it in a week and a half while working on other things, doesn't mean someone else with different knowledge and/or more time can't do it.

[frostknight]

As we've seen, even Goliaths can topple and fall. The real misconception that's been propagated for a long time now is that something is "too big to fail". Nothing is. It may be harder, and no individual person or entity (or sometimes even government) can cause failure, but there's no "magic class" of orgs that is beyond failure just because of their sheer size.

We need optimism of this type more...

Even if it is unlikely for it to happen immediately or for a while.

I definitely agree it can happen.