Windows 11 still sucks.

[ownedbywuigi]

Are you sure the very first Win10 still works with latest NVIDIA drivers? I read on another forum they don't, at least out-of-box. Those first Win10 releases are different from newer ones.

I swear I saw someone use latest NVIDIA with 1507

[UCyborg]

Admittedly, it's not something I looked into, I figured Win10 got good enough by 1809 for me to adopt it. I just remember this thread on MSFN that's been there since 2019 that discusses issues with NVIDIA drivers on older Win10 1607.

[Mæstro]

I wonder what would cause Microsoft to abandon Windows development, at least as far as domestic use is concerned. Already, rather little revenue depends on it, and I understand Windows is developed now for business, it simply being cheap to tack on spyware and sell it also to the masses. Could more of Gen Z, and soon enough Gen A, coming to age having only used mobile devices since the (literal!) cradle and therefore seeing no need for a home computer, do it?

[ownedbywuigi]

Could more of Gen Z, and soon enough Gen A, coming to age having only used mobile devices since the (literal!) cradle and therefore seeing no need for a home computer, do it?

Lots of GenZ already don’t use home computers, about half of my college (if more) uses iPads as their main “computer” for work when a used ThinkPad for the same price can do a lot more.

[Mæstro]

I am well aware that much of Gen Z already find traditional computers perplexing. ‘More than’ had in mind that much of Gen Z are still children. If we agree with YouGov that Gen Z began in 2000 and extends, like other generations, for sixteen to eighteen years, we have still got another decade until all Gen Z come of age and become fully capable of choosing between desktop and mobile for themselves, that is, qualifying as consumer demand of the sort businesses care about. We have every reason to believe later Gen Z can only be worse than early. Someone born in the mid-noughts, already an adult now, has at least been spared having the magic oblong since birth, even if he lacks any clear memory of the age before smartphones conquered the world.

[UCyborg]

we have still got another decade until all Gen Z come of age and become fully capable of choosing between desktop and mobile for themselves

Doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other, it could be both.

[Mæstro]

How many people are truly neutral between desktop and mobile?

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
Regarding having lots of RAM touched up on the previous page, it also indirectly normalizes excessive memory consumption. Excessive allocations, persistent memory leaks etc.

[MasterSlenderTR]

The state of AI Slop Modern Windows gives me one more reason to stay in Win7.

[frostknight]

The state of AI Slop Modern Windows gives me one more reason to stay in Win7.

With copilot infecting windows 11, you probably get just as much security in windows 7 right now.

This of course, doesn't reflect good on windows 11.

I recommend you use ublock origin and ematrix for protection if using that though.

[smithy]

The state of AI Slop Modern Windows gives me one more reason to stay in Win7.

Things might be changing, but I wouldn't hold your breath..

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/m ... p-backlash

[Night Wing]

Microsoft really knows how much 'Retail', not Enterprise, Windows 11 is not well liked. And "not well liked" is putting it "mildly". At the computer repair shop where I hang out on some parts of days, the shop owner has heard some rumors about Windows 12. If there is going to be a Windows 12, the rumor is below.

Windows 12 will mainly be an emulator or VM. This sounds like a Terminal to me. Just Windows 12 running on Microsoft servers and not on users computers. If this comes to fruition, then this would be a way to charge a monthly subscription fee to use Windows 12 since there would not be a Retail version of Windows 12 being sold. And Windows 12 might not automatically come on a new store bought computer either.

If the above comes to pass, this would be like "grabbing the privates and slowly squeezing" until someone is squealing from the feeling. Then finally surrendering by coughing up the monthly fee just to use Windows 12 because they have to have Windows 12 and nothing else in their mind.

[UCyborg]

How many people are truly neutral between desktop and mobile?

Maybe younger folks see mobile the same like older folks saw desktop when it became a boom.

[Mæstro]

If there is going to be a Windows 12, the rumor is [it] will mainly be an emulator or VM. This sounds like a Terminal to me. Just Windows 12 running on Microsoft servers and not on users computers. If this comes to fruition, then this would be a way to charge a monthly subscription fee to use Windows 12 since there would not be a Retail version of Windows 12 being sold. And Windows 12 might not automatically come on a new store bought computer either.

This is what I predicted Windows 365’s destiny could be. The real limit is reliable broadband access. Although the median domestic ISP for Microsoft’s home country has sped up incredibly, my understanding is that Comcast and friends have not even tried to make Stadia OS at all viable. I still think including (an offer to subscribe to) Windows 12 would remain the usual OEM. Wintel has been the bedrock of the Windows monopoly since the beginning, and casting it aside would be foolhardy.

Now I am reminded of the rumours before 2021 that Windows 11 would be a Linux distro. Could you imagine?

[frostknight]

Now I am reminded of the rumours before 2021 that Windows 11 would be a Linux distro. Could you imagine?

Some kind of cataclysm would have to happen for them to make windows based on the linux kernel.

Just a guess

[Moonchild]

Some kind of cataclysm would have to happen for them to make windows based on the linux kernel.

I'm not so sure. Not that I think their current team of devs at Microsoft has the capability to do it properly, certainly not without actually re-hiring beta testers in house, but as Apple has shown with Darwin, it's very well possible to build a proprietary OS on top of a BSD derivative, and Microsoft could do the same or something similar with the NT kernel without necessarily changing the APIs on top of it. So it's not completely weird to think about that possibility. But yeah, with the current team they have and under the current leadership, I do think you're right about something cataclysmic being needed for them to make that step right this moment.

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
So the options I seem to have:

1. Do nothing.
2. Consider power supply replacement.
3. Poke inside the old one, these things supposedly have specific capacitor dealing with +5V SB rail...me and electronics though...
4. Fast-forward to 2020s and buy a brand new PC.

Off-topic:
There is a 5th option.

Build a computer from scratch. This is what I did when I bought a new Montech mid tower gaming tower computer. And I do "not" play games on it. I got it because of it's increased size over a mid tower business computer. It is easy to work with on the inside of it.

Then I put my a more beefy motherboard in it which can access up to 128 GB of memory if I want, a 12 generation Intel i7 processor with 3.60 processor speed, new heat sink with fan, four 140 mm cooling fans, newer AMD graphics card, 64 GB's of memory and my old "quiet" power supply.

Just something for you to think about.

Off-topic:
Went with the 2nd, all back to normal now. It got bad to the point that "doesn't resume from sleep" turned into "doesn't turn on", or rather turns on partially. I unplugged power cable of one of the disks for test, after which it seems to work and few seconds after entering the BIOS settings, screen went all garbled and there was a beep from the PC speaker. Yikes! Turned it off and disconnected the power until new PSU arrived and was installed.

So back in business going for another 17 years!

[frostknight]

But yeah, with the current team they have and under the current leadership, I do think you're right about something cataclysmic being needed for them to make that step right this moment.

Yeah, I do think they would only do that if they thought they would gain something more than what they have now. As of now, I think that's the opposite of what they see now.

[UCyborg]

Why would anyone want Windows on Linux kernel (and broken graphics, sound, Wi-Fi etc. drivers that come with it)?

[Night Wing]

Why would anyone want Windows on Linux kernel (and broken graphics, sound, Wi-Fi etc. drivers that come with it)?

The problem with the above is, people got fed up with Windows (and Microsoft) so they went to find a linux distro that they liked. And they knew they wouldn't have to put up with all the crap which now comes with the present Windows 11 and beyond in the future.

People who are on Linux, they have no trust in Microsoft. If Microsoft decided to put Windows on a linux kernel, many people, including myself would not want to try it. Why? Because of the lost trust factor. In other words; "many times burned, lesson finally learned".

I'll give you an example.

In Windows, the Edge browser comes as the default browser in Windows. But Microsoft, seeing where there are more and more people switching over to a linux distro, they came out with Edge browser for linux.

And the linux Edge browser has not been well received, if at all, by the linux community distro wise. People switched over to Linux to get away from Microsoft so they will not go back to anything which Microsoft builds and controls for Linux. And I am solidly in this view point (camp).