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Re: We have plenty of these here
32 browser windows? I just put all tabs in one window. It's very rare for me to create a new, non-private window lol

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Re: We have plenty of these here
I'd say using multiple windows disappeared once tabs went mainstream, first introduced in Opera then taken up in Firefox and lastly IE7.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
I'm lazier than that. I bookmark a lot of sites that I visit frequently, but the hundreds and hundreds of others that I use occasionally I don't bookmark them and I don't ever retain any browser history. I just figure that DuckDuckGo found it last time, it will find it again in the future, and I'm pretty good at remembering my search terms.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
Not a bad plan, and I don't save any history myself, but I probably bookmark a lot more pages. The one weakness with not bookmarking sites/pages of interest is if/when they get taken down... then, without a saved url, you can't easily use WayBackMachine to find a copy.andyprough wrote:I just figure that DuckDuckGo found it last time, it will find it again in the future, and I'm pretty good at remembering my search terms.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
Well, no ... I keep tabs in one window until I can read at least the beginning of their titles ... which makes about 15 tabs.
I'm using a mixed arrangement ...
- at one time I thought to save long duration bookmarks in a database of my own which I access(ed) via a web page, if you want these could be public bookmarks I could share. I stopped updating the db, but I still use the ones I have. These are sites I access occasionally but regularly.
- then I have a collection of folders (Main, Auxiliary, Volatile, Truly volatile ...) and a few odd pages in the bookmark toolbar. And the folders contain subfolders.
- then I have the bookmark menu with things like search engines and maps, a few folders for transport, weather, projects ... and a misc list
- but then I keep (currently) three windows ... one with the things I normally work with (12-15 tabs), and the other two with temporary things I should look at some day
. They are not worth cluttering the bookmarks, they are normally closed. And they would make the tab list of the main window too long. I restore the entire session with the three windows via Session Manager each time I start PM
- I do use a transient private window mainly just for home banking
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Re: We have plenty of these here
I'm seeing a pattern here.
Using tabs + not retaining browsing history.
That is literally the worst scenario if you ever lose your session (which will eventually happen as it grows...) because there will be no record at all of what you had open in that case.
Talk about setting yourself up for disaster
Using tabs + not retaining browsing history.
That is literally the worst scenario if you ever lose your session (which will eventually happen as it grows...) because there will be no record at all of what you had open in that case.
Talk about setting yourself up for disaster

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Re: We have plenty of these here
I don't keep a lot of tabs open. When I find something I want to keep as a favorite, I place it in my Bookmarks Toolbar. But if there are similar favorites, then I create a Folder on the Bookmarks Toolbar and then create Sub Folders and Sub Sub Folders.
An example is in the next paragraph.
I have a lot of surfing videos for the places I surf at on the upper Texas coast. So I created a folder on the Bookmarks Toolbar named, Surf-V. Inside this folder is a Sub Folder named, Texas.
In the Texas sub folder, I created a Sub Sub Folder named, Surfside. In the sub sub folder named; Surfside, there are seven YouTube videos of my favorite places I surf at the beach down at Surfside, Texas showing different wind (wind speed & wind direction) and wave (big & small height wise) conditions for surfing my 9'3" single fin longboard.
In these videos, this allows me to choose the best model of longboard fin, the size height wise of the fin and where to place the fin in the long single fin box for the conditions I will find for that day when I go surfing my longboard.
In essence, everything is "neat, tidy and easy to get to" when I need things I want to re-visit. Right now, I have 28 folders on my Bookmarks Toolbar. This works real well for me and looks good on my 32" external monitor since I am a "desktop tower type of computer person".
I don't see how anyone needs "100 or more tabs open at one time" because to me, that is a "cluttered mess". But as they say; "To Each, Their Own".
An example is in the next paragraph.
I have a lot of surfing videos for the places I surf at on the upper Texas coast. So I created a folder on the Bookmarks Toolbar named, Surf-V. Inside this folder is a Sub Folder named, Texas.
In the Texas sub folder, I created a Sub Sub Folder named, Surfside. In the sub sub folder named; Surfside, there are seven YouTube videos of my favorite places I surf at the beach down at Surfside, Texas showing different wind (wind speed & wind direction) and wave (big & small height wise) conditions for surfing my 9'3" single fin longboard.
In these videos, this allows me to choose the best model of longboard fin, the size height wise of the fin and where to place the fin in the long single fin box for the conditions I will find for that day when I go surfing my longboard.
In essence, everything is "neat, tidy and easy to get to" when I need things I want to re-visit. Right now, I have 28 folders on my Bookmarks Toolbar. This works real well for me and looks good on my 32" external monitor since I am a "desktop tower type of computer person".
I don't see how anyone needs "100 or more tabs open at one time" because to me, that is a "cluttered mess". But as they say; "To Each, Their Own".
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Re: We have plenty of these here
I have hundreds of bookmarks, it's part of my browsing habits.
I also remember history and clean it every fortnight.
If I find a web page that I must keep, I print it to PDF.
I also remember history and clean it every fortnight.
If I find a web page that I must keep, I print it to PDF.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
I like to use Archive Today to preserve curious sites. (I do not use the extension myself, but RecordRewind exists to ease this.) It has happened more than once that links would rot, change their UI or break in Pale Moon since then, making me thankful to have kept the old version. Sometimes, I bookmark the mirror over the live version.Blacklab wrote: ↑2023-03-05, 09:35Not a bad plan, and I don't save any history myself, but I probably bookmark a lot more pages. The one weakness with not bookmarking sites/pages of interest is if/when they get taken down... then, without a saved url, you can't easily use WayBackMachine to find a copy.
My bookmarking habits have changed over the years. Five years ago, I had had several thousand, for I would save any page which contained a mildly interesting fact, to keep it as a reference. Keeping a browser history had removed one need for so many bookmarks; I think I had had several hundred on migrating to Pale Moon in 2019. Wave after wave of purges have left only 78, and I expect their number even further to shrink in months to come.
To date, I have never found a good system for what I could call temporary bookmarks beside leaving them in open tabs as OP confirms is the stuff of sages. An example would be several tabs with Japanese 4-koma I have now, awaiting the day when my friend (who speaks Japanese) can translate them. I had experimented once, about two years ago, with keeping fan-fiction I have meant someday to read in a queue folder, but they had languished there for months and I had deleted the folder without over reading it. How should I treat such pages?
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Re: We have plenty of these here
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Re: We have plenty of these here
Bookmaking means work, not much, but more than zero. Additionally, out of sight, out of mind, which again means extra work for finding the stuff later in tons of bookmarks. Convenience of just keeping open tabs is unbeatable, even if it's abuse.
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I suggest before forming a harsh opinion fo bookmarks, that you get familiar with the "Organize Bookmarks" and History window (Places).
Also, what "work" is there clicking a star or pressing the bookmark button? Does that involve more actual work than opening a tab? Is a site you want to retain worth one click or not?
Also "out of sight..." if you have several hundred tabs open, how is that not "out of sight' if it is in some tab bar scrolled waaaay out of view?
I believe the "work" involved is a one-time effort of actually changing your routine to be slightly different.
Also, what "work" is there clicking a star or pressing the bookmark button? Does that involve more actual work than opening a tab? Is a site you want to retain worth one click or not?
Also "out of sight..." if you have several hundred tabs open, how is that not "out of sight' if it is in some tab bar scrolled waaaay out of view?
I believe the "work" involved is a one-time effort of actually changing your routine to be slightly different.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
Easy 'one click' way to open the Bookmarks Library in a tab... is to bookmark it!
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@Moonchild: Actually, it just occured to me that I have you to blame for this.
I couldn't do this in other browsers, where I'd have either scrolling hell with not very friendly dropdown list of tabs as backup (Firefox) or limited number of tabs where navigation between more quickly becomes impossible (Edge). In Pale Moon it's one click to see thumbnails of all open tabs (I'm not sure how it's officially called) and it's just perfect. Right now I'm under hundered tabs and it works beautifully. And from previous experience, even twice as many is still good.
I might be happy enough with something like this for bookmarks. I found some extensions doing this and ended up using Quickdial Tool & Speed Dial, but it's still not it. First, I still need to actively bookmark the page. Even just the click on star in address bar, I agree that it's nothing, but it's more than doing absolutely nothing and just not closing the tab. I don't know, maybe it's some case of extreme laziness. Oh and don't forget that it's not only bookmarking the page, un-bookmarking is another extra effort. The tab I just close and it's all.
Another problem is lack of what could be called "self-updating bookmarks". Let's say there's a forum like this where I'm interested in single long thread and I'm not registered, because I'm just passive reader and I hate to register everywhere "just because". If I keep the tab open on second page (/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=123&start=20), then next time I'll get exactly that. Then more posts appear and I go to next page (/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=123&start=30) and next time I will get that. I don't see any efficient way how to handle this using bookmarks.

I might be happy enough with something like this for bookmarks. I found some extensions doing this and ended up using Quickdial Tool & Speed Dial, but it's still not it. First, I still need to actively bookmark the page. Even just the click on star in address bar, I agree that it's nothing, but it's more than doing absolutely nothing and just not closing the tab. I don't know, maybe it's some case of extreme laziness. Oh and don't forget that it's not only bookmarking the page, un-bookmarking is another extra effort. The tab I just close and it's all.

Another problem is lack of what could be called "self-updating bookmarks". Let's say there's a forum like this where I'm interested in single long thread and I'm not registered, because I'm just passive reader and I hate to register everywhere "just because". If I keep the tab open on second page (/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=123&start=20), then next time I'll get exactly that. Then more posts appear and I go to next page (/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=123&start=30) and next time I will get that. I don't see any efficient way how to handle this using bookmarks.
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Re: We have plenty of these here
See: RSS and "Live bookmarks"
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How does that help? Unless I'm missing something, that's just for RSS, to display current stuff from it among bookmarks. Not bad, I guess. But I prefer a custom home page where RSS feeds from my favourite sites are part of it, fetched by script on server (browser is doing nothing more than displaying resulting page generated by server).
What I meant is any random page without RSS. To be able to continue where I left off last time (last exact url like https://site/page/10/). If I leave it as open tab, that's all I need to do. If I'd want to use bookmark, I'd have to update it all the time (https://site/page/15/, https://site/page/37/, ...).
What I meant is any random page without RSS. To be able to continue where I left off last time (last exact url like https://site/page/10/). If I leave it as open tab, that's all I need to do. If I'd want to use bookmark, I'd have to update it all the time (https://site/page/15/, https://site/page/37/, ...).
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Re: We have plenty of these here
They probably have never ever opened as many as 6000 tabs like me, poor guy. And it's actually very beneficial to open 6000 tabs and use % search keyword to search through all tab, which literally replaces Google because 6000 tabs have everything I need if I want to check important topics, news..


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Re: We have plenty of these here
That's certainly well beyond what I could defend. 

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Re: We have plenty of these here
And you could just as well have 6000 bookmarks and search the bookmarks from your address bar 
By the way, 6000 open tabs is outside of our design scope. you are entirely on your own if something bad happens.

By the way, 6000 open tabs is outside of our design scope. you are entirely on your own if something bad happens.
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