Pale Moon vs SeaMonkey

[micwoj92]

A bit pointless post hence posting in Off-Topic, but I noticed that since 32.0.0 website https://crates.io/ (think of it as CPAN but for rust) works (althrough buggy) where in latest SeaMonkey 2.53.15 (which has rust code) it still doesn't. Come back is real

ps.

But at least SeaMonkey team works on python3 build support

[andyprough]

The latest Pale Moon works perfectly with Linkedin.com now, whereas the latest Seamonkey won't sign into it.

On app.logos.com, Pale Moon is able to display the various Bibles and scholarly biblical texts, whereas Seamonkey can't show any at all.

I've noticed those two differences.

And of course, Seamonkey can't open any of the jpeg-xl images, such as on https://jpegxl.info/test-page/, whereas Pale Moon opens them all.

[moonbat]

They spurned Moonchild's offer to switch to Goanna and contribute to the platform (that would've definitely helped). Now they're screwed, stuck on an old version of Gecko while Firefox continues to diverge.

[Echedelle]

I hope the situation changes over time and they get back to UXP as it is maintained now.

That would be a very bright future for the UXP ecosystem.

[moonbat]

Too late for them now, it amounts to rewriting their browser from scratch. They made their bed with Firefox/Gecko and now have to deal with it.

[mrnhmath]

Or just rebase back to 2.49 and adapt to UXP particularities as I've done with my private fork, although they would have to admit they were wrong in the first place.

[Mæstro]

Could one not adjust the UI, bundle Eyprus (or Claws Mail? its interface looks like the old Thunderbird also) and Ambassador, perhaps quarrying Tobin’s abortive Borealis, and declare it to be a UXP SeaMonkey? For that, was not Iceape exactly that?

[Likestofish]

It would have been nice if SeaMonkey had joined with UXP at the end of 2.49, not least when they missed nearly two years of security, never mind development, updates between 2.49.4 and 2.49.5. Frankly, that nearly two-year gap in security updates was irresponsible and persuaded me to drop SeaMonkey. That the SeaMonkey Council choose to do that was very unsettling, and in the end chasing the now defunct 2.57 struck me as a serious lapse in judgement, much as it may have seemed otherwise to the Council at the time. I have tried out, but don't use 2.53 simply because it can't do what I need it to do (I use chromium-based browsers for that now), and Pale Moon is much superior anyway for what I use it for.

Things could have been different, but as moonbat said, it's too late now.

[Sajadi]

If Seamonkey would be using the UXP code, they not only could contribute towards the code base too, but also they could make use of the many added and upcoming web-compatibility improvements of UXP - Why making ones life harder with fighting alone when you can also join allies.

But well, things are as they are, and the way things are it could be very likely that they are being forced to become just another generic "FireChrome" following Mozilla which is to blame for bastardizing their browser into such an abomination

[Moonchild]

Or just rebase back to 2.49 and adapt to UXP particularities as I've done with my private fork, although they would have to admit they were wrong in the first place.

You should seriously consider publishing your fork as a product for current SeaMonkey users to use as an alternative.

[mrnhmath]

Or just rebase back to 2.49 and adapt to UXP particularities as I've done with my private fork, although they would have to admit they were wrong in the first place.

You should seriously consider publishing your fork as a product for current SeaMonkey users to use as an alternative.

Sure, if there's enough community interest. I'd just have to create unofficial branding... not sure why there never was one.

[jobbautista9]

Sure, if there's enough community interest.

I am very much interested! While I'm currently content with Pale Moon right now, I still miss the Navigator UI... I still use SeaMonkey, but only for mail and news. Would be nice to finally get all of them back into one XUL application again.

I've actually done some exploring of making a SeaMonkey fork myself, with Epyrus as the comm-central base and the application itself forked from Iceape-UXP. I got my official branding done (I call it Kawashiro both as a homage to the marineness of "SeaMonkey", as it's Japanese for "river child", as well as being a Touhou reference too), and it's pretty functional. Last I checked on it, IRC (which I decided to bundle the app with Ambassador just like how SeaMonkey bundles ChatZilla the extension) is a bit buggy on the integration, and Lightning doesn't work. I haven't touched the search engine defaults yet either. I'm not sure if the Windows installer even works, as I've only tested it in Linux at the time (which packages a bzipped tarball instead of xz, fortunately I know how to fix that now).

If you want I can add you as a collaborator to the repo of my private fork is housed in so we can compare notes; I will just need your username in repo.palemoon.org. Though it's probably more likely your work is more complete and useful than mine...

Btw it's private because I don't feel comfortable releasing this incomplete work, and also because I don't have permission yet for the Nitori art I used for my branding

[Basilisk-Dev]

BlueGorilla was a fork of IceApe-UXP that you can probably still find on the web somewhere. It'd be a good starting point.

FWIW I have considered forking SeaMonkey as a sister project to Basilisk in the future but thus far I have not had the time.

[Mæstro]

If this UXP SeaMonkey supports language packs or (like SeaMonkey today) releases in different languages (German in particular), I would be happy to try it. Merging Claws Mail and Pale Moon into the same application appeals to my wish for simplicity. (I admit that an XMPP client, maybe forked from Ambassador, would be more useful for me than an IRC one, but I should not impose.)

Have we thought of a name for this SeaMonkey counterpart? In the spirit of marine arthropods who had long ago flourished, and owing to how this software will have three parts (browser, inbox, chat), I nominate Trilobite.

[moonbat]

an XMPP client, maybe forked from Ambassador,

Ambassador is itself a fork of Chatzilla which is an IRC, not XMPP client. Instantbird is what you're looking for, unfortunately I've never been able to download its binaries.

[Mæstro]

Instantbird’s web site is beautiful. I wish more sites would keep or restore this aesthetic.

Ambassador is itself a fork of Chatzilla which is an IRC, not XMPP client.

I am aware that Ambassador and ChatZilla are for IRC only; my implicit hope was that it could be forked to include Jabber or other IM protocols also. If Instantbird is XUL-based, as it appears from the Features page, I would think naively that it (or its fork) could be included in Trilobite and indeed serve the same purpose.

unfortunately I've never been able to download its binaries.

Do the binaries on Instantbird’s own site fail for you?

[moonbat]

my implicit hope was that it could be forked to include Jabber or other IM protocols also

No point - the UI for an instant messenger is very different from one optimized for an IRC client - a classic IM with a small main window showing online contacts, and each chat popping up in separate windows instead of the retarded Electron webpage as an app that's in vogue these days.

Do the binaries on Instantbird’s own site fail for you?

It always times out after redirecting to ftp.instantbird.com
Else it would be exciting to revive a XUL based IM client.

[Nigaikaze]

It always times out after redirecting to ftp.instantbird.com

How's abouts this?

https://web.archive.org/web/20160417211 ... eases/1.5/

Looks like a comprehensive collection of the last official releases, along with a source tarball.

[moonbat]

Thanks, that worked

[therube]

Possibly this also, https://code.google.com/archive/p/instantbird/downloads ?