F*ck Brave

[jez9999]

When Brave started, I liked the fact that there was a Chrome wrapper that seemed to be done by people who cared somewhat about user privacy. Over the years, I don't think I've had one communication from them in response to any of my suggestions or communications. They're actually less interested in responding to users than Google is with Chrome, and that's saying something. Today I started getting this popup when starting the browser...

Brave notice

Screw them. Oh well, at least it'll stop the endless nagging for me to update.

[Pentium4User]

Windows 7 is EoL since Jan 2020. I know there is extended support, but this will end on Jan 2023 too.
Windows 8.1 will also end in 2023, so I completely understand that they don't support them anymore.

[jez9999]

Nonsense. And Windows 10 is awful. I'm never going to use it as my main OS.

[Al6bus]

Oh well, at least it'll stop the endless nagging for me to update.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comment ... le_chrome/

[BenFenner]

Windows 7 is EoL since Jan 2020. I know there is extended support, but this will end on Jan 2023 too.

end-of-support ≠ end-of-life

When Windows 7 is no longer an option (in general), a lot of us are going to have to suffer some GNU/Linux flavor.

[Eduardo Lucas]

Windows 7 is EoL since Jan 2020. I know there is extended support, but this will end on Jan 2023 too.

end-of-support ≠ end-of-life

When Windows 7 is no longer an option (in general), a lot of us are going to have to suffer some GNU/Linux flavor.

While i do respect people who think older windows is unfeasible for home use due to security issues, some simply cannot replace these versions. I cannot btw, even in online use. There are risks but they are way less serious than business use. I use bsd/unix for work.

[Moonchild]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chromium/Blink as a whole will drop support for Windows 7 somewhere next year.
Brave is just being ready for when that happens. I guess if you're still on Windows 7, you're not brave enough for the modern web

I'm a big fan of Windows 7 myself. I stayed on it for a very long time -- but the transition to Windows 10 when it finally settled on something considerably more user-friendly than the first iterations for people coming from Windows 7 was not too bad. I kept most of my workflow, and the things i had to get used to were primarily visual style related. For someone coming from 7, Win 10 really isn't too bad with a few basic, out-of-the way tools installed like Open Shell, and taking some time to configure the taskbar to your liking (mine is very much oldschool, with no grouping and full titles on reasonably-sized application tabs).
No matter which OS you're using, you'll likely have to adapt over time. For me it's a weighing of pros and cons if I want to switch to a new major version (which is why I skipped 8.0 and 8.1, and will likely skip 11 altogether)

[jez9999]

Doesn't do anything about the endless forced updates and reboots, not to mention massive amounts of telemetry being sent, though. People have just presumably gotten used to that / forgotten about it.

[Moonchild]

Doesn't do anything about the endless forced updates and reboots, not to mention massive amounts of telemetry being sent, though. People have just presumably gotten used to that / forgotten about it.

Nope, I don't think anyone has forgotten about that, but it really isn't so bad. Updates are maybe once a month (and you can slow that way down too if that's too often) and I've controlled the amount of telemetry to levels I can agree with for a software vendor to get from me (which isn't much). I don't mind restarting my PC now and then - that's no different than what I had to do on Windows 7. "uptime" isn't something I covet. It seems your opinion about Win 10 is from the earlier releases. I skipped those for good reason. But eventually it settled on something controllable and malleable enough.
Besides, if you were using Brave, then you were likely sending telemetry aplenty from the browser as well.

Anyway, to each their own. I still have Win 7 on a second partition, i just barely use it.

[jez9999]

That "I reduced the telemetry down to something reasonable" is a total cope. Any decent OS would give you the option to send zero telemetry, like and respectable Linux distro.

[Moonchild]

Any decent OS would give you the option to send zero telemetry, like and respectable Linux distro.

You apparently didn't get the point that I send what I choose to send.
And any "decent" OS will perform update checks. I bet that's considered "telemetry" by you as well? Any package manager will send "telemetry" by way of making requests for specific packages. So no, no "respectable" Linux distro will send zero telemetry. Do with that what you will, I guess.

[4td8s]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chromium/Blink as a whole will drop support for Windows 7 somewhere next year.

which Google is planning to do in Feb 2023

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-chrome-to-drop-support-for-windows-7-81-in-feb-2023/

ditto for MS Edge as well

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-edge-109-is-the-last-version-to-support-windows-7-81/

all chromium based browsers (whether Brave, MS Edge Chromium, Vivaldi, Opera, etc.) will no longer support Win7 & 8.1 around that time and will require at least Win10

[4td8s]

When Brave started, I liked the fact that there was a Chrome wrapper that seemed to be done by people who cared somewhat about user privacy. Over the years, I don't think I've had one communication from them in response to any of my suggestions or communications. They're actually less interested in responding to users than Google is with Chrome, and that's saying something. Today I started getting this popup when starting the browser...

Brave notice

Screw them. Oh well, at least it'll stop the endless nagging for me to update.

if you want to disable those eol nags in Brave, Edge or Chrome, read this:

https://borncity.com/win/2022/12/05/windows-7-8-1-server-2012r2-deactivate-google-chrome-notification-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/

[daemonspudguy]

Why are you whining about a browser that focuses on privacy and security no longer supporting a now 3-years out of date operating system? Update your computer. Easy as that. Don't want to use Windows 10 or 11? Switch to Linux. Don't like that option? You're just gonna be on your own. Windows 7 is EoL, and nothing is gonna change that.

[00Septimus]

Why are you whining about a browser that focuses on privacy and security no longer supporting a now 3-years out of date operating system? Update your computer. Easy as that. Don't want to use Windows 10 or 11? Switch to Linux. Don't like that option? You're just gonna be on your own. Windows 7 is EoL, and nothing is gonna change that.

Complete agreement.
A dead OS could endanger privacy and security even more than a mainstream browser like Chrome can
- and when the worst happens then, the whining and wailing really starts

[andyprough]

If I were a Windows 7 user (I'm definitely not), I would just install antiX Linux in a vm (takes about 2-3 minutes), and then open the PackageInstaller and do the one-click install of Brave or whatever I wanted, and keep using Windows 7 for as long as I want. antiX itself only uses about 150-200mb of memory, so you wouldn't even really notice it resource-wise. It has one-click installs for all your favorite browsers including Brave and Pale Moon, and they will update on Linux for as long as your computer runs. If your browser ever gets compromised, just throw away the vm and start over. If you set up the vm right, you can drag and drop between Windows and the vm, copy and paste, permanently share folders, make the vm window seamless - you wouldn't even have to notice you were using a vm particularly. And it would be much safer for your OS, as your browser and antiX would be constantly updated with security patches. Let the security-updated vm do the web browsing, let the Windows 7 do the gaming or graphics programs or office programs or what-not.

[Moonchild]

which Google is planning to do in Feb 2023

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chromium/Blink as a whole will drop support for Windows 7 somewhere next year.

Told you so.

ditto for MS Edge as well

Edge = Blink. Of course it'll be ditto. Same for anything else building on Blink.

Update your computer. Easy as that. Don't want to use Windows 10 or 11? Switch to Linux. Don't like that option? You're just gonna be on your own. Windows 7 is EoL, and nothing is gonna change that.

Pale Moon will ultimately be dependent on toolchain and runtime availability. Windows 7 and 8.1 support will not be forever in this corner either; Just to be fully transparent about it: if a choice must be made between continuing supporting Windows 7 and supporting Windows 12 or what not, then Windows 7 will always lose. It's a simple matter of not supporting EoL operating systems forever.

[Mæstro]

I like Andy’s approach for keeping up a new browser in an old operating system. I cannot understand why others would be so hostile. Everyone has his own reason for staying with an older operating system.

Off-topic:
How do the XP rebuilders adapt Pale Moon? Do they use separate building software?

[daemonspudguy]

I like Andy’s approach for keeping up a new browser in an old operating system. I cannot understand why others would be so hostile. Everyone has his own reason for staying with an older operating system.

Off-topic:
How do the XP rebuilders adapt Pale Moon? Do they use separate building software?

If I went to Google and told them that they should compile binaries for Debian Jessie, 3 years after it lost support, I'd be laughed at because it's an absurd request. Windows 7 has been out of support for 5 months longer than Debian Jessie, and existed for many years before. The OP had ample time to update to something more recent (Windows 10 was even a free upgrade). That's why I find this absurd at least.

[daemonspudguy]

Nonsense. And Windows 10 is awful. I'm never going to use it as my main OS.

That's your own fault. I don't expect Google to compile things for Debian Jessie after 3 years of it being EoL, and I wouldn't expect Brave to do the same for Windows 7 either.