Am I crazy?
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nguyen9173
Am I crazy?
My mind is a mess and I can't even write good English. No one understand me...
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moonbat
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Re: Am I crazy?
Take a break, read the old posts instead of starting redundant new threads about things that have been suggested and discussed dozens of times already, or best - just stick to Seamonkey or Firefox or whatever alternate browser since you seem hellbent on making suggestions to turn Pale Moon into one of those. If Webextensions are such a priority for you, there are plenty of other browsers that offer it.
Nobody here is interested in Webextensions or Firefox/Chrome compatibility for Pale Moon. We prioritize a fully customizable and privacy respecting out of the box browser over rushing to implement the latest non-standard Chrome shiny. And Athenian200 has already described in detail elsewhere why you cannot have both XUL and Webextensions together in the same browser.
Nobody here is interested in Webextensions or Firefox/Chrome compatibility for Pale Moon. We prioritize a fully customizable and privacy respecting out of the box browser over rushing to implement the latest non-standard Chrome shiny. And Athenian200 has already described in detail elsewhere why you cannot have both XUL and Webextensions together in the same browser.
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athenian200
- Contributing developer
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Re: Am I crazy?
I really think the language barrier could be a factor here.
I do believe you're trying to help us by pointing out the reasons why average users wouldn't want to use our browser, because you think we don't know about those issues and don't understand. I liked your suggestion about creating a modern alternative to IE Tab, that one was really good.
It's just a lot of your suggestions are things that would alienate Pale Moon's existing users, and make it into a browser that is more like the ones they are trying to avoid using. We would gain more of the normal users, but alienate the users who wanted Pale Moon specifically. Following those suggestions would also put us into direct competition with the likes of LibreWolf and SeaMonkey, and we would sacrifice the "niche" Pale Moon has built for itself over the years in the name of Web compatibility and speed. In other words, we would be following Mozilla's path, and no one would stand for that.
It's not that your suggestions are bad. If we were a big company trying to make a popular browser and failing, your suggestions would be exactly what we needed. The problem is that we're not in a situation that is that simple. We exist mostly because of our frustration with what's popular, to resist it for as long as we can and keep alive the things people loved about older browsers. Even if we cease to exist eventually... then every year we managed to hold on was like a small victory, something that bought time and tide people over until other alternatives could be developed. Pale Moon itself may not be the answer in the end, to what Google and Mozilla have done. It may be that our role is to buy time, make people feel heard, and make a point about the state of the web today.
It's hard to explain my perspective, I hope that makes sense.
I do believe you're trying to help us by pointing out the reasons why average users wouldn't want to use our browser, because you think we don't know about those issues and don't understand. I liked your suggestion about creating a modern alternative to IE Tab, that one was really good.
It's just a lot of your suggestions are things that would alienate Pale Moon's existing users, and make it into a browser that is more like the ones they are trying to avoid using. We would gain more of the normal users, but alienate the users who wanted Pale Moon specifically. Following those suggestions would also put us into direct competition with the likes of LibreWolf and SeaMonkey, and we would sacrifice the "niche" Pale Moon has built for itself over the years in the name of Web compatibility and speed. In other words, we would be following Mozilla's path, and no one would stand for that.
It's not that your suggestions are bad. If we were a big company trying to make a popular browser and failing, your suggestions would be exactly what we needed. The problem is that we're not in a situation that is that simple. We exist mostly because of our frustration with what's popular, to resist it for as long as we can and keep alive the things people loved about older browsers. Even if we cease to exist eventually... then every year we managed to hold on was like a small victory, something that bought time and tide people over until other alternatives could be developed. Pale Moon itself may not be the answer in the end, to what Google and Mozilla have done. It may be that our role is to buy time, make people feel heard, and make a point about the state of the web today.
It's hard to explain my perspective, I hope that makes sense.
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leothetechguy
- Moon lover
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- Joined: 2020-12-10, 18:46
Re: Am I crazy?
Many companies have this problem, OnePlus alienated its original fans by making more broadly appealing phones until it became just another phone brand.
But I think all we need to do is provide the features alongside what Pale Moon already offers (as extensions that is, its the best way to make features opt-in).
But I think all we need to do is provide the features alongside what Pale Moon already offers (as extensions that is, its the best way to make features opt-in).