Microsoft plans to remove official support for booting Windows 11 from HDD

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Re: Microsoft plans to remove official support for booting Windows 11 from HDD

Post by Eduardo Lucas » 2022-07-07, 18:02

Moonchild wrote:
2022-07-07, 17:18
"Safety and security" has been the de facto (and de facto accepted) reason for a lot of agenda-pushing the last decade.
Stringent security features most certainly have their merits - I'd be the last to say they do not, with my high-sec professional background. However, security needs to also be applied with measure; the right security for the right environment.
Secure boot? Absolutely fantastic feature! ... but only if you are trying to secure workstations in a managed environment where hostile use of internally connected computers is a considerable risk.
TPM? Great little piece of hardware to both provide a proper RNG and securely store non-exportable cryptographic keys. ... but only if you have a need for such secure, non-fungible storage tied to a piece of hardware. Does it have a practical use for home users? Absolutely not.
Further locking down what devices the OS can boot from? Once again, great if you want to avoid the use of externally connected storage on a protected PC in a secure environment, but pointless otherwise.

The same kind of reasoning is being used to try and go against people repairing their stuff. That's however a whole other chapter i don't want to break into here, but yeah "safety and security" ad nauseam to try and prevent you from using things you have bought and are supposed to own in the way you want to, even if it might not be "secure" for the most extreme environments.
THIS is what i'm talking about. No one will convince me my laptop will unconditionally and inevitably be hacked just because it's connected to the internet on windows 7 unless i use linux/bsd or win10/11. This sounds the same like "if you do not use chromium or firefox or all of its derivatives, you will get hacked/scammed because everything else is insecure" kind of thing, which i cannot believe or agree from all what i studied and counting on my formal education computer science background. Yet this "hacking/malware ghost" is pushed everywhere like if all scenarios would fuck us up and like if the only solution is to follow the rules of which a big tech giant teaches you or be cancelled by the tech community if you voice a different opinion or view. The same about TPM being a magical wand which must be included in home computers and all you've mentioned. It all depends of computing, network, hardware and software dependent scenarios, which are ample and varied.

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Re: Microsoft plans to remove official support for booting Windows 11 from HDD

Post by moonbat » 2022-07-07, 21:53

It is all a push to return to the days of the centralized mainframe where all your data is stored on it and you access it with dumb terminals. This kind of thinking sees the existence of the PC where your data and applications were yours to use however you want as an anomaly, from 1981 to around 2013 when mobile internet usage overtook it.
Just constant chipping away at what the user can control in the name of security or 'simplicity', and unfortunately the masses of sheeple don't care :(
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Re: Microsoft plans to remove official support for booting Windows 11 from HDD

Post by Mæstro » 2022-07-08, 21:56

Eduardo Lucas wrote:
2022-07-07, 18:02
No one will convince me my laptop will unconditionally and inevitably be hacked just because it's connected to the internet on windows 7 unless i use linux/bsd or win10/11. This sounds the same like "if you do not use chromium or firefox or all of its derivatives, you will get hacked/scammed because everything else is insecure" kind of thing, which i cannot believe or agree from all what i studied and counting on my formal education computer science background.
I had disabled Windows Update sometime in 2015, while using Windows 7, having heard that updates would nag the user to try Windows 10, which I boycotted for its telemetry. My choice to migrate to Linux in XII 20 was motivated by three things: sympathy to the open source movement, which has since cooled, that also convinced a friend to switch months before me, Windows rot (among other things, the software firewall had broken years ago after a bungled antivirus uninstallation) and, allied to this, security concerns for the long term.

I have no formal informatics background, yet had kept safe notwithstanding so much older software, even with known vulnerabilities, through a hardened browser (Firefox 56 before III 19, then Waterfox Classic before coming to Pale Moon in VIII 19), antivirus software (first Avast, later Malwarebytes), firewall through the VPN and router and not downloading anything stupid. In hindsight, the change was needless and, as LMDE 4 with Cinnamon runs my processor slightly warmer than Windows 7 with classic theming had, maybe for the worse, if I feel somewhat safer here. (I plan to slipstream Debian LTS security upgrades once LMDE 4 goes end of life.)
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