Google is at it again - blatant Chrome pushing

[Moonchild]

So, Google is at their blatant pushing game of Chrome again in all spaces they control.

Youtube:

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And I was on there with Edge which is Blink already, not Pale Moon...

[Mæstro]

And I was on there with Edge which is Blink already, not Pale Moon...

Watching the leopard’s four heads bite one another is always fun.

[athenian200]

Yeah, they've been doing that on Edge for as long as I can remember. Sometimes they let up, but it always seems to comes back within a month or two.

Google seems to really hate Edge far more than they hate Firefox. At the very least, no one I know who uses Firefox reports the same experience and they all seem to think I'm exaggerating when I describe how Google treats competing browsers.

[Pentium4User]

Same applied to IE. I remember that only in IE they had the "Download Chrome" banner on their search.

[Moonchild]

Banners aren't even that bad, but these "notifications" are deliberately placed OVER page controls and content.

[andyprough]

Google seems to really hate Edge far more than they hate Firefox.

Chrome has lost about 6% to 10% of the browser market share over the past two years, while Edge has been gaining market share the fastest. There's quite a few reasons ($$$$$$$) why Google hates Edge.

[Eduardo Lucas]

So, Google is at their blatant pushing game of Chrome again in all spaces they control.

Youtube:
yt-chrome.png
And I was on there with Edge which is Blink already, not Pale Moon...

This happened with me recently in blink browsers. I feel like i'm in the IE days again holy lord

[Pentium4User]

I assume the reason is that people noticed that Edge is mostly Chrome and therefore there is mostly no need for them to install Chrome. The IE is incompatible with many sites since years.

[Night Wing]

A little off topic, but still close enough.

Speaking of YouTube, I don't know what all the technical details was changed in Pale Moon 31.0 but now, I can watch YouTube videos again on all four of my computers (2 desktop towers, 2 laptops) without any freezing or lockups using 31.

[Mæstro]

I assume the reason is that people noticed that Edge is mostly Chrome and therefore there is mostly no need for them to install Chrome.

It would be funny, if Microsoft’s leeching gets bad enough, if Google closes Chromium’s further development to try to starve it.

[athenian200]

It would be funny, if Microsoft’s leeching gets bad enough, if Google closes Chromium’s further development to try to starve it.

That's a possibility. Chromium is under a BSD license, and that means Google could close off the codebase at any time. It's also why Microsoft hasn't had to release the source code to Microsoft Edge, although I hear they have contributed some of their code back to upstream to the Chromium project. If Microsoft's engineers are actively contributing code upstream, I'm not sure Google will see it as leeching.

The main problem for Google if they close off Chromium development is that they lose all the contributions to the codebase outside of Google, which makes developing Chromium a lot more expensive and forces them to hire more engineers. Right now, they have a ton of downstream browser developers contributing code upstream to them, and that flow will stop if they have to close development. In addition to that, it also creates an incentive for Microsoft, Brave, or someone else to become new stewards of the open source version of Chromium and put a lot of effort into trying to rival, reverse engineer, or beat Google's closed version. The open source community tends to react badly when access to a previously open codebase is restricted in any way, much less totally closed off. They do not care what the license says, they expect full transparency and commit history, and look askance at anything short of that. And that would be a PR nightmare for Google.

[jangdonggun1234]

Google seems to really hate Edge far more than they hate Firefox.

Chrome has lost about 6% to 10% of the browser market share over the past two years, while Edge has been gaining market share the fastest. There's quite a few reasons ($$$$$$$) why Google hates Edge.

This is a good thing or I would say best thing, because Chrome being the King of the web is bad. They can freely add or remove web Standards, like they did with WebComponents.

They need someone to be their competitor.

[moonbat]

Google seems to really hate Edge far more than they hate Firefox

Firefox is their sockpuppet controlled opposition to ward off accusations of having a browser monopoly, they have no reason to hate it even apart from the fact of its marketshare being in the low single digits.

[jangdonggun1234]

Firefox just exists nowadays to make Chrome looks even better, it's literally a dead browser, Chrome's clone.
Just look at Firefox Android, they have literally total of 7 addons (minus dups and useless addons like Adguard/Adblock is worse uBlock, and who needs Google Search Fixer) lmao. And addons were the main reason why so many people used Firefox in the past, they got rid of many addons (ImgLikeOpera, CustomButtons...) by implementing WebExtension and lost most of their userbase.

[Eduardo Lucas]

Firefox just exists nowadays to make Chrome looks even better, it's literally a dead browser, Chrome's clone.
Just look at Firefox Android, they have literally total of 7 addons (minus dups and useless addons like Adguard/Adblock is worse uBlock, and who needs Google Search Fixer) lmao. And addons were the main reason why so many people used Firefox in the past, they got rid of many addons (ImgLikeOpera, CustomButtons...) by implementing WebExtension and lost most of their userbase.

I think this has a lot of sense. If you think mobile is vastly more crowded than desktop or other kinds of small computers and that their extension ecosystem is a tiny bunch, it makes me feel like Pale Moon has been successfull in not transitioning to WebExtensions and that it was, again, a smart decision (as historically it always was) to a software or hardware manufacturer to take backwards compatibility very seriously. I think the project could have disappeared as well if it happened and if PM didn't decide to be a hard fork, because i remember firefox forks in the past (late 00s) were so, so many, and they simply ceased to exist, maybe because they lost their differentiation factor in a sense of being significantly distinct from the main software they derived from and fill needs and usecases (as well as being a distinct vision) that are lacking in.

[Moonchild]

because i remember firefox forks in the past (late 00s) were so, so many, and they simply ceased to exist.

They weren't forks; they were rebuilds. They didn't actually have (much of) their own development, and would just follow whatever Mozilla did with each version, so there was no real identity there and no chance of deviating from the course set by Mozilla.

[Eduardo Lucas]

because i remember firefox forks in the past (late 00s) were so, so many, and they simply ceased to exist.

They weren't forks; they were rebuilds. They didn't actually have (much of) their own development, and would just follow whatever Mozilla did with each version, so there was no real identity there and no chance of deviating from the course set by Mozilla.

Yes, i think my memory is not helping me, as i was something around 11 or 12 at the time and i had terrible english skills, so they were just rebuilds that used a different name from firefox.

[Moonchild]

Yes, i think my memory is not helping me, as i was something around 11 or 12 at the time and i had terrible english skills, so they were just rebuilds that used a different name from firefox.

Usually with some different configuration/preferences/home page, but essentially just renamed Firefox, yes.

[moonbat]

Usually with some different configuration/preferences/home page, but essentially just renamed Firefox, yes.

There was one called Flock, that was hyped up a lot. It integrated support for all the popular s⃥o⃥c⃥i⃥a⃥l⃥ ⃥m⃥e⃥d⃥i⃥a⃥ online communities of the day, but you could achieve a similar effect on regular Firefox using the then official extensions of these sites.