Another look at the Mozilla dumpster fire

[moonbat]

The headline says it all.

But of course, there's no comparison to the masochism of Firefox users because eventually he says -

I'm a Firefox user (and one of the few on mobile, apparently) and I want to see Mozilla succeed.

Why? Why do people like him want a dishonest bunch of scumbags that betrayed their original userbase and became Google's controlled opposition to 'succeed', whatever that means?

[gepus]

Why do people like him want a dishonest bunch of scumbags that betrayed their original userbase ...

I can't tell you why.
All I can tell you are some of my own thoughts.

All Pale Moon users have to use occasionally a secondary browser. This won't change anytime soon.
By doing so they have the choice between Chrome (or one of its forks) and Firefox (or one of its forks).

My secondary browser is a fork of Firefox because it is the best choice for me.

Let's assume that Firefox will cease to exist.
Who will benefit?
- People using Chrome or one of its forks?
- People using Firefox or one of its forks?
- And last but not least, will it ease development of Pale Moon and its security updates?

[Mæstro]

All Pale Moon users have to use occasionally a secondary browser. This won't change anytime soon.
By doing so they have the choice between Chrome (or one of its forks) and Firefox (or one of its forks).

Epiphany is mine. (LibreOffice accepts it as a dependency instead of Chromium or Firefox derivatives.) It is far more robust than most give it credit; its faults are rather aesthetic or external.

[andyprough]

All Pale Moon users have to use occasionally a secondary browser. This won't change anytime soon.
By doing so they have the choice between Chrome (or one of its forks) and Firefox (or one of its forks).

My secondary browser is a fork of Firefox because it is the best choice.

Pale Moon used to be my secondary browser for the sites that Firefox couldn't handle. Now there's too many important ones, so Pale Moon became my primary browser. Most days it's the only one I open on a desktop. I use links2 in graphical mode now more than firefox.

[moonbat]

I've had minimum 2 browsers right from the days of IE being bundled into Windows. Sites that didn't work in Firefox or Opera would be sent to IE. Chrome is the new IE so of course you'll have to keep it or one of its descendants around.

[somdcomputerguy]

Chrome is the new IE so of course you'll have to keep it or one of its descendants around.

Vivaldi is my IE if I have to use a site that won't operate correctly in Pale Moon.

[Moonchild]

Chrome is the new IE

Edge is the new Chrome is the new IE. We came full circle.

[Marcus]

As soon as I read "NGO", "not-for-profit", "sustainable" and assorted crap, alarm bells ring.

[Moonchild]

Better not read the Pale Moon website then

[Marcus]

You know what I mean.
But out of curiosity, please point me to the dirty words on PM's site.

[Moonchild]

Tisk, tisk. So lazy!

[moonbat]

The only words you'll find from those 3 is non-profit. Should be apparent, given the PM team is neither rolling in millions from Google search engine partnership nor from any other cash grab schemes hardcoded into the browser.

[andyprough]

Helps to have a strong duckduckgo game -

Code: Select all

site:palemoon.org +"non-profit"

[MrMobodies]

Vivaldi is my IE if I have to use a site that won't operate correctly in Pale Moon.

Using Vivaldi 3.8 portable which has served me well for two years.

A bit slower and a few glitches here and there but I can tolerate those.

I like the settings panel it is what I expect instead of slapping everything on a webpage with lot of white spaces inbetween and lots of scrolling to see so much less.

Now I am using Palemoon for Odysee or any video stuff thanks to the GPU offload that seems to work really well and respect the video colour settings which I am pleased about and so thank you very much for that.

[Bendy_Demon]

I hope I will not get yelled at too much for responding to a month old post but this topic caught my eye.

I use a combination of browsers to see which ones function best and I toggle between Firefox and Pale Moon.
I liked Firefox for its flexibility and customizable appearance however I have noticed that their add-on page, for example, has become lackluster. Even their assortment of themes is...well, awful. No way to even customize the buttons. The fact you have to have to have add-ons to do things that FF should already have in its preference page is disappointing.

Pale Moon has so far been a very reliable browser even with the..umm..current incidents though I still toggle to FF to view videos on Bitchute. (Sorry..shouldn't need a separate add-on for that but that's for another topic..)

Vivaldi is a recent discovery and I find that I really like it EXCEPT that it is a bugger to customize and dumps far more files into my cache than Pale Moon or FireFox does. Also the rendering of smaller graphics that Vivaldi does is also disappointing, many being blurred or washed out regardless of whether or not the hardware acceleration is on or off.

Anyways..I have been wondering about Mozilla for quite some time. It seems as if the project is being abandoned (sorry, I don't read the news on these companies) which is very sad the company has much potential be what it used to be.

SeaMonkey could be another promising venture but when I recently installed it I discovered that hardly any of its add-ons were compatible with their newest version so I uninstalled it. Yes, I know I am stupid for not researching that aspect because, stupid me, I operated under the assumption that it would be a given that the add-ons would be updated to accommodate the upgraded version of SeaMonkey.

So my hope is that Pale Moon will become what FF used to be and it is more than plausible that it will even surpass Mozilla.

[moonbat]

So my hope is that Pale Moon will become what FF used to be and it is more than plausible that it will even surpass Mozilla.

Already has been on both counts. You have that backwards, Pale Moon is what Firefox used to be before 2011 in terms of values as well as features. I use Brave as a backup browser, want nothing to do with privacy violating, woke Mozilla.

[Bendy_Demon]

Yeah, you are right. I did have that backwards. My apologies. Nonetheless I have just Pale Moon and Vivaldi as my browsers
I did try Commodo Ice Dragon but when I went to some sites with the newest release of Ice Dragon I was told to update my browser SO..Iuninstalled it. If a company cannot even keep their coding up-to-date then why keep offering it?

Opera was...in a word, 'Meh..' so my best bet is Pale Moon and I might just try out Brave too.
It seems to be more difficult to find good browsers that aren't spying tools or forcing an agenda.

[somdcomputerguy]

I did try Commodo Ice Dragon but when I went to some sites with the newest release of Ice Dragon I was told to update my browser SO..Iuninstalled it. If a company cannot even keep their coding up-to-date then why keep offering it?

It's usually not the (browser) company 'not keeping their code up to date', but the website owner's PR way of saying, "Your browser isn't chromy enough"..

[Bendy_Demon]

It's usually not the (browser) company 'not keeping their code up to date', but the website owner's PR way of saying, "Your browser isn't chromy enough"..

Odd considering that when I visit the same sites with a Firefox based browser and chromium based ones like Brave I don't get that message. Still I should try to stick to more popular browsers. I just downloaded Brave as a possible back up (Thanks moonbat)
So basically Pale Moon is so far the best I have seen.
Too bad FF couldn't get their act together as it was once a great browser too and I recall that it offered tons of great add-ons; useful ones, not just cheap and wonky stuff and the themes were great too but I guess the user base no longer matters to them.

[somdcomputerguy]

It's usually not the (browser) company 'not keeping their code up to date', but the website owner's PR way of saying, "Your browser isn't chromy enough"..

Odd considering that when I visit the same sites with a Firefox based browser and chromium based ones like Brave I don't get that message. Still I should try to stick to more popular browsers.

But on the other hand; maybe that particular browser really is like IE6 old, and they just don't to deal with a lot of user complaints so a browser upgrade is a good recommendation.