The Antitrust Showdown - U.S. Government v. Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, et al.

[Moonchild]

Seems none of the action taken is actually tackling any of the core problems with Google.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Well that's the result when you stigmatize technology and those who enjoy it for decades then adopt lowest common denominator devices and appliances over the course of a decade with no real understanding. So the technological power of these evil corporations isn't understood by those who spent all their time getting paid off for pushing it. Other than those complicit of course.

[THX-1139]

Some new and interesting developments at least in regard to twatter, though it could ultimately affect many others as well
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/federal-judge-signals-may-end-twitters-immunity-speech-police-worried/

[Moonchild]

That has very little if anything to do with antitrust, since it's about freedom of speech and government-instigated censorship on social media.

[THX-1139]

Some new developments in Antitrust. Democrat Led Committee Introduces 5 Antitrust Bills Targeting Tech Giants https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/06/14/democrat-led-committee-introduces-5-antitrust-bills-targeting-tech-giants/

[Tharthan]

For those who have no interest in reading radical and heavily partisan tabloids, this is the story that Kathuluforz brought up—but from more acceptable sources:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-democrats-just-introduced-5-antitrust-bills-aimed-at-reining-in-big-tech/ar-AAKX61q

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-facebook-amazon-apple-targeted-by-pack-of-us-antitrust-bills/

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Yeah cause those are reliable sources.

[Moonchild]

Since nobody on those sites bothers to list their sources anymore, it's hard to verify anything.

[THX-1139]

The Breitbart article has links to the bills PDF's.

[moonbat]

For those who have no interest in reading radical and heavily partisan tabloids

How does it matter if they're citing their sources? This isn't an opinion piece after all. And like Tobin said, implying MSN or the others are any less partisan, just with the polarity reversed.

[Tharthan]

Off-topic:

And like Tobin said, implying MSN or the others are any less partisan, just with the polarity reversed.

The difference is, using Breitbart as a source is pretty much the same as citing Salon.com or something of that sort. Not the kind of publication that you want to be citing.

[moonbat]

Citing for what? Original research or an opinion piece by them, or a general piece of news reported by twenty other places? You sound like you would get suspicious if they even reported the damn weather.

[Moonchild]

Calm down and have some tea or something.

[THX-1139]

New developments in the Anti-trust probes: https://www.rt.com/usa/532553-facebook-buried-rivals-antitrust-lawsuit/

"The US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has slapped Facebook with an antitrust suit, arguing the firm has become a monopoly that buys up rival companies when it can’t compete fairly, in order to retain market dominance."
So maybe now I'm elevated to a Rusky sympathizer?

[Tharthan]

I am not going to bother with an article from that source, but if the antitrust cases are moving along, then that is good news for everyone who desires a free and open Internet.

I hope that we see some meaningful results sooner rather than later.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

I am not going to bother with an article from that source

If the meat of it checks out or bits and pieces can be confirmed the source doesn't really matter. The truth points to its self and one can form their own conclusions. To completely reject it out of hand simply because it is RT or Fox News or MSNBC or InfoWars or CNN just shows you are a fuckin moron.

Besides, it can be important to consider what narrative is being constructed and how conclusions are formed based on core facts even when cherry picked. The why is also the most most important. Almost as important as the facts them selves.

I know it takes a great deal more effort to go deeper than a logo and a headline but since in the world of news media and in an age where nothing is exactly as presented it is up to everyone to at least make an attempt to uncover the reality behind the story.

[WiseWolf]

For those who have no interest in reading radical and heavily partisan tabloids

How does it matter if they're citing their sources? This isn't an opinion piece after all. And like Tobin said, implying MSN or the others are any less partisan, just with the polarity reversed.

I gotta agree with Tharthan here, breitbart, isn't exactly neutral... far from it, that would be where I would go to find a way to radicalize myself if I wanted to be a white supremacist, or a nut case.

I am sure people who look at that stuff aren't all nut cases or white supremacists, at least initally, and I am sure they don't all realize that it is brainwashing, but yeah... it is.

I listen to a few media sources and evaluate based on what they say, in the past, as well as the present.

PS, I do not trust cnn, msnbc and channels like them that much, but I especially do not trust the far right channels, such as OAN, Newsmax, fox news, breitbart, and stuff like it. Those sources are pure poison.

Cnn and msnbc like sources are corporate, but they are definitely not wingnut channels at least...

That all being said, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts.

Trusting far righters nowadays is akin to trusting insanity. The jewish space lazer theories, the dewormer insane covid-19 cure and drinking clorox to cure covid-19 type ideas, etc... is just downright nuts.

I am very much concerned with the alarming level of stupid in this world.

Vaccines are not our enemy, only trumplicans think they are.

Have a nice day, be careful what you believe, evaluate it from non partisan sources that are willing to attack both sides if needed.

Btw, I hope someone does break up the big tech companies, they ARE WAY TOO POWERFUL!

[shevy]

> I gotta agree with Tharthan here, breitbart, isn't exactly neutral... far from it

Yeah. Tons of hidden agendas out there.

I think this is a much larger problem though because governments become increasingly shallow.

I remember having been shocked when scientology - a corporation by definition - could get
away without paying taxes. But normal people must pay taxes.

Something isn't working correctly here. There are too many private interests and private
actors. Not just this or that mega-corporation but more a general problem. How is it fair
that the big guns avoid and evade paying taxes but you can live in society that feeds off
from a worker slave base?

I don't think any government is going to do much at all anymore about the concentration
of trust-issues here. "Antitrust" may have worked in the past, but I no longer see it work.
At worst they pay some fines and then resume as always. You'd sort of need a government
that is really handled by the people from A to Z, where money doesn't buy right.

The only odd thing is that you have e. g. youtube, owned by Google, act as some small
"corrective" in the sense that you can distribute information about wrongdoers. I guess
most people are largely apathic, though, or simply not interested to begin with.

[shevy]

> but if the antitrust cases are moving along, then that is good news for everyone who desires a free and open Internet.

Well ... if it ever comes along.

I heard rumours. Rumours are not good to base anything on them.

But IF the rumours were true then we could eventually see an antitrust situation, starting with Google.

Google has been creating a LOT of problems in the last 5-10 years. I don't see how this can be resolved
without chopping up Google, but Google has a lot of cash to buy their lobbyists and lawyers into
inaction of governments or "slap on the handwrist" punishments that are largely meaningless.

Mandatory jail sentences for the higher CEOs while seizing all their properties - now THAT would be fun.
Suddenly they could no longer get away with what they are getting away. That includes the
mass surveillance abuse that is done - not just by Google but see Apple sniffing the data, see
Microsoft demanding that Win11 comes with cameras that always record audio etc... etc...

All this is super-dystopian - except that it's sort of real. I even saw people place the alexa spydevice
and didn't understand why they'd do so, until I realized that many of them had young kids who
considered the speech-to-command simply a toy, not caring about privacy or their data.

It's all a bit scary. :\

[New Tobin Paradigm]

You have been told time and again to STOP adding line breaks at arbitrary cols when you write on the forum. It is really starting to piss me off.

Also PHP is superior to Ruby. Go fuck yourself.