Windows 11 still sucks.

[frostknight]

So what do you settle for when all options are bad?

Some Windows 10/11 rants are here: http://toastytech.com/evil/rants.html

I saw, I agree windows 10 and 11 are nightmares. To think they'd delete your linux bootloaders just because of their arbitrary reasons.

Then again, microsoft is microsoft, full of crap to the max especially since windows vista

[Night Wing]

On some of the desktop tower computers for my customers who are running Linux Mint and (ugh!) Windows 11, I have not seen the disappearance of the linux bootloaders.

Then again, maybe it is because Linux Mint is on one SSD and Windows 11 is on a second SSD on our customers tower computers. The "shop" NEVER recommends putting Linux Mint (or any linux distro) and Windows 11 (or any Windows OS) on the SAME SSD (two partitions).

The owner of the shop and I both agree having a linux distro and any Windows OS on the same SSD in a separate partition for both is because it is a "disaster waiting to happen" in our opinions. When I was dual booting Linux Mint and Windows 7, I never put Mint and Windows on the same drive in my two desktop tower computers.

Maybe the deletion of the linux bootloader is happening to people who are dual booting using a laptop computer with one hard drive.

[frostknight]

Then again, maybe it is because Linux Mint is on one SSD and Windows 11 is on a second SSD on our customers tower computers. The "shop" NEVER recommends putting Linux Mint (or any linux distro) and Windows 11 (or any Windows OS) on the SAME SSD (two partitions).

The owner of the shop and I both agree having a linux distro and any Windows OS on the same SSD in a separate partition for both is because it is a "disaster waiting to happen" in our opinions. When I was dual booting Linux Mint and Windows 7, I never put Mint and Windows on the same drive in my two desktop tower computers.

Maybe the deletion of the linux bootloader is happening to people who are dual booting using a laptop computer with one hard drive.

Yeah... that's probably why.

I also don't recommend that as well if people can help it. Yeah...

having two separate SSDs makes a lot of sense.

[Night Wing]

Off-topic:
@ frostknight

I still have my two desktop tower computers, along with my three laptops, but getting back to the tower computers, I now (at the time of this posting) dual boot MX Linux and Debian. But MX and Debian are installed on two separate SSD's in each tower.

Even though I no longer use any Windows operating system, I am dual booting two linux distros and I feel "it is better to be safe than sorry". Hense, my preference is to always use two separate SSD's.

[frostknight]

Even though I no longer use any Windows operating system, I am dual booting two linux distros and I feel "it is better to be safe than sorry". Hense, my preference is to always use two separate SSD's.

Same here man. It makes things much easier anyhow for me.

[UCyborg]

Backing up MBR is not that hard. Or hiding partitions with fdisk. I'm not a regular Linux user and even I know these tricks. xD But yeah, Microsoft sucks and there's no other reason other than Microsoft being Microsoft for the OS to pretend there are no other systems out there...or not having ext4 read-write support in the OS, dare I say.

[Sajadi]

Just happy that I abandoned technology almost fully now, using only my phone from time to time for Web access 😁😁😁

[Night Wing]

During the past ten days at the shop where I volunteer at, my co-worker and I have turned six Windows 11 computers into six Linux distro computers. The breakdown:

1) Four computers now installed with Mint 22.2 (Zara) Xfce.
2) One computer now installed with MX Linux 25 (Infinity) Xfce.
3) One computer now installed with Debian 13.2 (Trixie) Xfce.

Most of the people age wise were in their 40's, 50's and 60's. The reason given, all of these people were tired of Windows 11 ads, suspect updates and telemetry. All of them did not mind giving up Microsoft's Office program for Libre Office.

They told us the two computers (desktop & laptop) out on the showroom floor which are running three different linux distros, which they got to demo for about one month's time when they came into the shop, those distros were easy to use. They also said they got comfortable using them "quickly".

[Gemmaugr]

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsof ... aiting-for

"Microsoft has just published a new support document that details how Windows 11 is evolving into an agentic OS. The company has openly stated that the future of Windows is one that will be AI native, focused on agentic capabilities that allows your PC to take control and complete tasks on your behalf. Now, we know how it's going to work."

[Night Wing]

So Microsoft says you have to enable AI first to use it and if you do not like it, you can disable AI. Talk about a "slippery slope".

But lets say down the road, Microsoft does not allow you to disable this "feature" anymore. If this happens and I'm going to guess it will eventually because MS is so hungry for your data. Reminds me of a company that wants to "put a ring in your nose, attach a leash to the ring" and let MS lead you around, via AI; to where MS wants you to go.

[Mæstro]

We also read that Microsoft wishes to break captchas:

One powerful way apps are implementing AI today is by interacting with your apps and your files, using vision and advanced reasoning to click, type and scroll like a human would.

In the good old days, when software enjoyed the ability to use system resources and bandwidth autonomously, we called it a computer worm. When it sent automated email without any human oversight, we called it a spambot. When it could alter files freely, we called it a virus. Windows has been spyware for a decade now, but this blurring the line between operating system and malware is just silly.

[UCyborg]

I wonder what Moonchild will do in the following years.

I think I'll stop using computers when wheels fall off Windows 10.

[back2themoon]

I wouldn't be so dramatic. Linux will always be there for us "classic Desktop" users. We certainly know how to adapt and I'm pretty sure there is life beyond Windows. Microsoft can go full-corporate and AI-mobile all they want.

Heck, I was using AmigaOS way before Windows was even a thing, and it's still better in more ways than one.

[Lucio Chiappetti]

Being a "classic dekstop user" since ever (and native from Unix and Linux), I would be more afraid if Xorg is abandoned for Wayland.

[frostknight]

Same here man. It makes things much easier anyhow for me.

Just to quote myself, I have two distros one on each SSD, I use one as a backup and the other as the main. In case anyone wondered. No, I don't use windows as a main or a backup os to run from.

[UCyborg]

Linux has proved to be a needle in the butt and other Unices are even more obscure and less supported.

[Night Wing]

Linux has proved to be a needle in the butt

Speaking just for myself, after the debacle of Windows 8, Linux has proven to me to be a breathe of fresh air. I control my computer. With Windows, you buy the computer, but Microsoft controls your computer. Remember Windows 7 had a folder on the Desktop that said, "My PC". But in Windows 8, that changed to "This PC".

And with every Windows update, one has to go into the settings (and those settings are not in all one place) to check to see if what you have turned off has not been turned back on.

There are no ads in any any of the two linux distros I am now using. No phoning home either. And I have never used any anti-virus software in any linux distro. If an update comes through, there is no re-boot of your computer. At least not in MX Linux and Debian. But with Windows, there is a re-boot.

I can change mirrors to the fastest one for updates. And if someone finds changes to a distro they liked and now dislike, with so many distros, they can find another distro to their liking.

I used Linux Mint for 12 years until the developers decided to make changes I did not like. So I quit using Mint and I am now, at the time of this post, dual booting MX Linux 25 (Infinity) Xfce and Debian 13.2 (Trixie) Xfce.

When Steve Ballmer was CEO of Microsoft, he said Linux was a cancer. But after Windows 8, 10 and now 11, in my opinion; I think Windows is the cancer.

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
I had an issue with my Linux install that screens wouldn't wake up after coming from sleep.

This helped:

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sudo systemctl disable nvidia-suspend.service

I wonder what that service is supposed to do. It's specific to installs with NVIDIA's proprietary GPU drivers (and I guess the ones that have systemd). GPU's frequency scaling still works after resume, not sure what other power related issues could be there.

Messing with Flash Player (again) and this comes to mind:



I mostly got Windows to my liking after tweaking while things are still missing or broken in Linux. OK, the notable exception is the terminal, which is nicer out of box and I'm not sure you can have autocomplete for paths in CMD when working on smartphone with ADB (paths on the phone that is when you're not directly in the phone's shell). Though I guess it's subjective and depends on use cases and probably how versed you are. Did I mention I once fixed the customer's database at work by issuing calls to .NET SQLite library through PowerShell?

And obviously, you're not stuck with one desktop on Linux that goes out of the way to make things cumbersome.

There also seems to be a difference in how both kernels handle USB. My phone has a glitch so its USB functions stop working after a while unless you reboot, but can still be charged. At least this case, phone charges MUCH slower when Linux is in charge on PC. I got from 18% to 40% in 8 hours (4000 mAH battery). It would be done by that time on Windows. Still slower and easier on battery than using a charging brick, but not super slow.

[Night Wing]

Off-topic:
@ UCyborg

When it comes to Nvidia and graphics in Linux, there has been lots of talk about Nvidia drivers for graphics not displaying screens correctly in quite a few linux distros.

Nvidia makes very good drivers for Windows and this is where Nvidia made it's name and shined as a company. But in Linux, at least in Mint, MX Linux and Debian, not so much. There were problems with Nvidia's drivers. Like the problems you described. Many of the linux drivers for graphics were "old" and not up to snuff if you get my drift.

Since I mainly use my two desktop tower computers, they both came with Nvidia graphics cards. Worked well in Windows, but not in many of the linux distros I took for test drives.

I got tired of those problems and many people on the Mint forums suggested replacing the Nvidia graphics cards with AMD graphics cards. I did so and my graphics problems in Mint immediately went away. And I didn't have to do a clean re-install with the distro. The same AMD graphics cards work well now in MX Linux and Debian.

There are some problems which I ran into when I first started using Mint, but that was do to me coming from Windows and me not knowing very much about linux distros. Linux has a learning curve, but it is not a gigantic learning curve.

Most of our customers at the computer repair shop, they are not in love with Windows 11. They just "tolerate" using Windows because many of them have not heard of linux distros. This is why we have two computers (desktop and laptop) out in the showroom where people can actually "experiment" on using the three distros on those computers (Mint, MX Linux, Debian).

The die hard Windows "fan boys", they are always telling people linux distros are "ALL" command line where you have to use the Terminal in linux to get things done when using a linux distro. And that is nothing more than a big fat bold faced "lie".

This above statements are how the "mom and pop" types can get away from using Windows 11 which they really do not like. We also choose the Xfce desktop environment (DE) in a linux distro since it is very easy to learn.

We put Rust Desk on their computers so if they run into problems, I can usually fix it in less than 15 minutes of time. And when I do remote into their computers, I do not fix it. I have them fix it by telling them how to do it since I can actually see what they are doing on their computer from my computer. Works great since many of our customers live 20 to 25 miles from the shop.

This is how they "learn" because if I do it, they just forget how I fixed the problem. In other words, they are ones doing fixing the problem, "hands on".

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
Hm, that USB thing might have to do with sleep specifically, so power reducing in sleep on one OS but not another.

Funny thing with graphics cards, when I bought the last one, everyone was like "ATI sucks, get NVIDIA if you want normally working 3D graphics". That was in Linux context specifically.