wtf? almost every forum and website is on cloudflare now?

[Night Wing]

I do not if this CF article belongs in this topic thread, but if it doesn't, would a moderator please put in the appropriate topic forum.

Since I dabble "lightly" in the Options markets, I ran across this article on Cloudflare this morning. It seems there is going to be a few "less employees" working at CF. This will probably hurt Pale Moon in the long run since AI might be making most of the decisions.

https://www.reuters.com/business/world- ... 026-05-07/

[Moonchild]

No, it won't be "AI" making these decisions. I'm, actually thinking "AI" would do a better job at creating a bot check suite than the team at CF is doing right now. But... the problem will be it'll most likely be the worst of both worlds, with a biased CF employee prompting AI to spit out something terrible for non-Chrome.

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[Moonchild]

Probably something with your choice of blockers/config/etc.

[Night Wing]

Took me about seven seconds to get to Stangnet, but I got there.

[back2themoon]

Stangnet works here, too. More details are needed. Bill Murray can't be of help, unfortunately.

[Gemmaugr]

It's not just Cloudflare. This last month I've increasingly encountered more and more different and various captchas everywhere! (Mostly cloudflare, but also recaptcha on YT, or geo captcha on like Reuters)

It can't be fear of bots or scraping or AI, since most seem just fine pushing that stuff. I'm thinking more along the lines of boiling the frog for Digital ID/Age Verification stuff myself.

[back2themoon]

I am noticing a massive increase as well. But it's mostly, if not exclusively Cloudflare for me.

[Night Wing]

This last month I've increasingly encountered more and more different and various captchas everywhere! (Mostly cloudflare, but also recaptcha on YT

I never encountered "recaptcha" on YouTube even though I have no account on YouTube. But since I am on YT multiple times a day and night, if a team at YT is in charge for bot lookout, maybe just maybe they are smart enough to see my IP address and this tells them I am not a bot.

And since I visit my usual places everyday, I do not see any other any other turnstiles like CF uses. As an example. I visit the MX Linux forum multiple times of the day and night. and I do not have a registered account at MX.

There is a user at MX who is also a maintainer for MX who goes by the username of "dolphin_oracle" (D_O). MX uses CF. Some of the account users at MX were complaining about having a hard time accessing the forums over there.

I read a post where he stated he would have a look at the settings for CF and change some of the settings so users (and legitimate non registered visitors) would not encounter CF. He did and the registered users and non bot visitors (like me) over at MX no longer encountered CF anymore.

I am guessing the other maintainers of the sites I visit everyday are also doing the same thing. Just a guess on my part.

[Gemmaugr]

This last month I've increasingly encountered more and more different and various captchas everywhere! (Mostly cloudflare, but also recaptcha on YT

I never encountered "recaptcha" on YouTube even though I have no account on YouTube. But since I am on YT multiple times a day and night, if a team at YT is in charge for bot lookout, maybe just maybe they are smart enough to see my IP address and this tells them I am not a bot.

That's the weird part. I have an account on youtube, and am also watching stuff day and night. While my IP changes occasionally, and has been for a long time (years), it's only these last 30 days that I've gotten googles ReCaptcha like 5-10 times. Just doing what I usually do..

[Night Wing]

That's the weird part. I have an account on youtube, and am also watching stuff day and night. While my IP changes occasionally, and has been for a long time (years), it's only these last 30 days that I've gotten googles ReCaptcha like 5-10 times. Just doing what I usually do..

I just went to site which lets me know what my IP is. As far as I can tell, my IP address for the computer I am presently on has not changed. So I'm guessing my IP address is static (does not change).

I think the privacy types like to "hide" their IP address or having it change constantly with some program they are using and I am guessing this is why they run into trouble accessing some sites since CF and other CF type companies are now in vogue.

[Gemmaugr]

That's the weird part. I have an account on youtube, and am also watching stuff day and night. While my IP changes occasionally, and has been for a long time (years), it's only these last 30 days that I've gotten googles ReCaptcha like 5-10 times. Just doing what I usually do..

I just went to site which lets me know what my IP is. As far as I can tell, my IP address for the computer I am presently on has not changed. So I'm guessing my IP address is static (does not change).

I think the privacy types like to "hide" their IP address or having it change constantly with some program they are using and I am guessing this is why they run into trouble accessing some sites since CF and other CF type companies are now in vogue.

I just got three ReCaptcha challenges almost in a row, and nothing had changed between them, so I'm more inclined to believe that they're using algorithms to measure a "typical" users speed and habits. Because one of the captcha's I forgot was Brave Search's WASM 2.0 one. Which goes in to effect when I'm searching "too much/too fast". I can't help that I type and read faster than average joe. It's partly how I was taught and because it's efficient. Most are also on a smartphone of some kind and swipe or tap directly to a new vid, while I mostly open up unloaded tabs with the MButton (which I later bookmark when I have to restart Pale Moon, because YT JS...).

[Michaell]

I just hit a CF blocking page trying to login to my phone account. I usually use the app to pay but it wouldn't let me in (happens sometime when they change something). I then tried website on laptop First in PM and had to allow more domains. Reluctantly had to even allow google fonts (I BLOCK GOOGLE EVERYWHERE). After logging in, got CF error (browser not supported, etc.). Finally went through on it's own (crazy behavior IMO).

But what I'm now wondering is with all these servers beefing up their security and forcing us to lower ours, are these bots and AI stuff the website owners defend against so much also scarfing up info from our computers because we have to allow almost everything. I have the feeling they are and storing it in an AI database in one of their data centers. But of course I can't prove it.

[Sablesword]

There are worse things. On an increasing number of sites I get pages like
Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://onlinebanking.huntington.com/rol/Auth/login.aspx" on this server.

Reference #18.6718d017.1778797135.bbcab747

https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6718d01 ... 5.bbcab747

Not just on Pale Moon, but on older versions of vivaldi and firefox.

[Moonchild]

Unfortunately that is entirely up to the bank to dial down. But you're likely just going to be told "use a supported browser"

[Mæstro]

Not just on Pale Moon, but on older versions of vivaldi and firefox.

Some IT security counsellors have argued that, because legitimate users are forced to install automatic updates for their browsers, while malicious ones tend to use fixed user agents, one should therefore deny access to any browser more than a few years old. One document had the gall to say that the threshold ought to be fixed at one year, but that three could be offered as a courtesy! Hence, it might be worth considering whether user agent overrides through the configuration settings might help here.

[Moonchild]

while malicious ones tend to use fixed user agents

That's just not true.
In fact, malicious ones tend to spoof whatever is the most commonly used UA

[frostknight]

Both of those sites are extremely similar and may actually be operated by the same company.
Maybe you could use their contact form to ask them to stop using CF so you can access the site.

I just tried to visit those pages and didn't get the block screen. Maybe his problem has been fixed?

[JenkinsJinkies]

I'm really sick of all browsers turning into cloudflare terminals.
I respect Pale Moon for taking its own approach.

[browserman]

I can't believe all the ISP don't see these "bots" "AI scrapers", they have no problem limiting us, normal users from heavy traffic (well, except if you are using the big players services, watching HD videos while scripts are telemetring like hell). No, it's another control-problem, where big tech companies (acctually the surveilance state) sell things at a loss to then control everything. You don't need a thinfoil hat to see evil things, but people in general thinks everyone wants the best for everyone

What's really going on under the hood is shown from severly-downplayed (when you get control of the news by sponsoring) history. The lesson is unfortunately, don't trust anything the big players say.

Cloudflare seems to be playing with palemoon users, it's working for some or at some times while others can't get through, always some "detail", "plugin"-explanation in forums. When they get all the market, they don't have to pretend to care no more, no one will be able to use palemoon. Nah, sounds extreme, hopefully that can't happen