Clarification about trademarks

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Clarification about trademarks

Post by Moonchild » 2026-04-16, 06:56

Alright, let's get this clear for some people who don't seem to understand what trademarks mean and are obviously more eager to blow their top than to do some basic research.
palidaluna wrote:(Your Browser, Your Way™)
You suggested false freedom of choice.
You´re corupted by Big Data Money.
I don´t think any trademarketed ways are the right ones for anyfreebody.
Freebody People do not need trademarketing ways.
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Common law Trademarks ™ exist for people and entities to claim a trade name/identification for themselves. They exist to prevent copycats from causing confusion which vendor/publisher/dev/etc. is the "genuine article", by giving them some legal levers to use in case there is ambiguity or deliberate market confusion about something put out to the public, i.e. a way to take legal action to show they were first and actively using a certain trade name/mark.
Claiming such a name has nothing to do with being paid by anyone or limiting choice. Trademarks aren't exclusive to big companies, either. Just because someone personally thinks it's fine to "wing it" and run the risk of some other entity claiming a trade name later on and potentially lose what the public has come to know a project or product by, doesn't mean it's a bad idea on its face to make the public claim to a trade name. Because that is literally all it stands for: "Let it be known to everyone that this is the official name or mark for what I do, and you should not be using it for something similar". Not all that difficult to understand, I hope.
Free software vendors do need this kind of protection if there is a risk of someone else claiming the same name, commercially or not.
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by moonbat » 2026-04-16, 08:57

I invite such people to build Firefox from source and distribute it while calling it 'Mozilla Firefox' with all branding intact,to see how Mozilla would react :coffee:
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by Basilisk-Dev » 2026-04-16, 22:07

Some days I come on the forum and see useful, productive conversations and enjoy my time here. Other days I see... whatever palidaluna's post was.
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by ownedbywuigi » 2026-04-16, 23:05

Basilisk-Dev wrote:
2026-04-16, 22:07
Some days I come on the forum and see useful, productive conversations and enjoy my time here. Other days I see... whatever palidaluna's post was.
I had no words for whatever that post was but “what?”. I know it’s their 3rd language but still
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by Mæstro » 2026-04-16, 23:24

Palidaluna also accidentally(?) copied and pasted the list of online users from the bottom of the homepage, which I reported last night, but other than that, I missed today’s serving of word salad. Has anybody got leftovers?
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by athenian200 » 2026-04-17, 00:34

Well, last night he was launching into incoherent rants about Palantir and the GoogleBot and AppleBot scraping our page (why he had the user list) and how our project is not what it seems, basically accusing us of being sellouts and suggesting the trademark along with us allowing "Big Data Bots" on our site that "watch everyone" is the reason why we aren't trustworthy. At least that's what I took from it... his English wasn't very good, so it was not only accusatory and inflammatory, it was hard to understand. But I've heard enough paranoid ranting in my lifetime to get the gist of what he meant.
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by ownedbywuigi » 2026-04-17, 01:32

Why does Apple scrape our page anyways? I get Google and Bing, but Apple??
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by frostknight » 2026-04-17, 05:01

IF you mean this:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=33335

Then I have one thing to say...

That dude needs to lay off them hard drugs or type coherently at minimum.

I don't know what the hell he was talking about.
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by Moonchild » 2026-04-17, 06:16

They have been put on cooldown, which is why the forum is currently blissfully devoid of more hotheadery.
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Re: Clarification about trademarks

Post by Basilisk-Dev » 2026-04-17, 14:39

ownedbywuigi wrote:
2026-04-17, 01:32
Why does Apple scrape our page anyways? I get Google and Bing, but Apple??
MacOS and iOS have a built in search feature. If you search with those, it uses Apple Bot to pull data from the site. If I text you a link on my iPhone to your iPhone it'll use AppleBot to show a preview of that link. It's also used for a few other functions that I can't recall.
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