YouTube Now Forcing Visitors To Sign In To View Videos

[Night Wing]

Off-topic:
@ UCyborg

Since you mentioned "tabs", I am pretty sure I am the odd man out since I do not like to have multiple tabs open unless it is absolutely necessary.

In the Preferences for Pale Moon on all of my five computers; under General, I have the box "unchecked" for: Always show the tab bar. But I have the box "checked" for: When I Open a link in a new tab, switch to it immediately. So for me, I never have a tab open for YouTube. YouTube's website's address is shown in my Navigation Toolbar.

From the shop where I hang out/volunteer, I have found those customers who have older computers, having at least two tabs open gives them problems on YouTube. And most of these customers are using laptops.

Combine this with the other factors I have previously mentioned in this thread and YouTube is a struggle for them.

[UCyborg]

It's been brought up million times before, but the browser's architecture simply can't cope with demands in 2020s. In most other browsers, you can have effectively multiple sites crunching simultaneously, while one site can easily halt everything else in Pale Moon.

[Night Wing]

Off-topic:

In most other browsers, you can have effectively multiple sites crunching simultaneously, while one site can easily halt everything else in Pale Moon.

In my previous post to you, I stated I do not have any tabs open in Pale Moon when I am visiting a site. The same is true for Waterfox and Firefox. But I "never" stated my Pale Moon cannot handle at least four tabs open at the same time. The same is true for Waterfox and Firefox. My Montech tower can handle the four sites below all running at the same time and Pale Moon is still "purring like a kitten". Ditto for Waterfox and Firefox.

I will give you an example what my tower computer can do with four tabs open at the same time. I will give you four sites where you can go, then open a tab, go to the second site; rinse and repeat for the third and fourth sites. See if you can run them all open at the same time.

With your Pale Moon, I think it will struggle with the first and second sites. If so, you will probably never make it to the third and fourth sites. The four sites are a music video in YouTube, a streaming webcam of Port Aransas beach and a streaming webcam of Surfside Texas County Park. At Surfside, scroll to the bottom of the page for the webcam. And the last site is a streaming site for some surfing at Lo Jolla, California. Pick the La Jolla streaming webcam. Some of these sites require you to click on them to start the streaming cam.

BTW, the streaming webcam at Port Aransas will require you to turn off your ad blocker extension to get the cam to run. And I suspect, the Port Aransas site, if it runs for you with the tab where YouTube is running; if it runs, your fan in your in computer will start to get "loud" in noise volume.

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq2KqhkD4CE

2) https://hdontap.com/stream/259405/the-d ... beach-cam/

3) https://www.brazoriacountytx.gov/depart ... ad-image-0

4) https://scripps.ucsd.edu/piercam

[Mæstro]

It's been brought up million times before, but the browser's architecture simply can't cope with demands in 2020s. In most other browsers, you can have effectively multiple sites crunching simultaneously, while one site can easily halt everything else in Pale Moon.

Why should one ever have multiple sites hacking up JavaScript in parallel to begin? This question can be interpreted in several correct ways, of course. Even if I have got twoscore tabs open right now, I only ever try to open one page at a time, for I keep only one window open at once.

[UCyborg]

Doesn't necessarily have to be JavaScript. Enough of what the end user feels taking place in a window is constrained and not executed in parallel. Which is natural, but halting other windows and tabs is not. Even Internet Explorer adapted multi-process in the end. Do you still genuinely believe single-process is the way to go? In a browser "optimized for modern hardware"?

[Moonchild]

Off-topic:

Doesn't necessarily have to be JavaScript. Enough of what the end user feels taking place in a window is constrained and not executed in parallel. Which is natural, but halting other windows and tabs is not. Even Internet Explorer adapted multi-process in the end. Do you still genuinely believe single-process is the way to go? In a browser "optimized for modern hardware"?

Having to trade off seeing the effects of bad web design for a setup that hides it from the user, giving the appearance of responsiveness while the individual processes hang just as hard, building on an IPC system that is fragile, insecure (easily 50% of all sec bugs are due to e10s directly, and more indirectly), very resource-intensive, and in general causing an IMHO more frustrating masked unresponsiveness that will not ever give you feedback on whether a process is busy, ignoring your input, or actually doing things in the background you don't want?

Yes.

Unless, of course, you are looking for a virtual machine host instead of a browser.

You may want to evaluate whether Pale Moon still aligns with what you want or need from a browser. Considering your other thread going on about how frustrating it is to use, for you, you may want to consider using something else.

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
There is nothing out there for me, they're all bad. Every time I try to switch something else, I realize I'm already using the least bad option.

[RoestVrijStaal]

Well, the video works without login at my side.

Maybe you're in the A-bucket and I'm in the B-bucket of YouTube's A/B-testing.

I'm using the MTube extension of RealityRipple though. Because full JavaScript YouTube is annoying.

You might want to give FreeTube and yt-dlp a try...

[Moonchild]

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You might want to give FreeTube and yt-dlp a try...

Be careful with yt-dlp if you are in the USA, as they are cracking down hard on it and you may be in serious trouble with section 1201 of the DMCA attaching jail time to it.

[jarsealer]

For a while, I used NewPipe (https://newpipe.net/) on android for watching YT without an account or going to the website. But a few months ago I couldn't play videos anymore and NewPipe told me that YT might have banned my IP address, which I think is the case. So even when I visit the YT website it tells me to sign in to watch videos. But I can watch videos without signing in when I turn on cellular / mobile data (or use a VPN).

[frostknight]

Be careful with yt-dlp if you are in the USA, as they are cracking down hard on it and you may be in serious trouble with section 1201 of the DMCA attaching jail time to it.

Disgusting... corporations can break many different laws, we break even one, they go mad on us.

Effing evil...

Mass surveillance and other antifeature crap for example being some laws being broken...

Theres a right to privacy after all in ammendments.

[Mæstro]

This comic turns twenty in nine days. What has changed beyond the list of addressees growing?

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:

Disgusting... corporations can break many different laws, we break even one, they go mad on us.

Effing evil...

Mass surveillance and other antifeature crap for example being some laws being broken...

Theres a right to privacy after all in ammendments.

You know, the world isn't run by the laws written on paper. It's run by people. Some according to laws, others not. It depends on each individual how his world will be, how he makes it. And you also need a whole lot of luck, so that somebody else doesn't make your life hell. And it ain't as simple as they tell you in grade school.

Also, the constitution is a joke.

[frostknight]

Also, the constitution is a joke.

This becomes more true each day the united states exists it seems.

[UCyborg]

Off-topic:
^It's not just Degenerate States, even if it appears most prominent statistically and brags of its supposed first-world status at the same time.

BTW, there used to be the maintained extension Ant Video Downloader that's useful for these sites. I got its YouTube module working at least on Project VORAPIS that still uses decipherable URLs to video/audio streams.

Not meant as downloader, but PotPlayer dumps video/audio streams to .tmp files in %TEMP% folder (no login required). If you wait for the whole thing to load, you can merge *tmps to normal video file with ffmpeg.

Maybe best to get your favorites off before whole YouTube is Widevined.

[frostknight]

Maybe best to get your favorites off before whole YouTube is Widevined.

When is this happening persay?

I am curious.

[UCyborg]

I can't tell if it actually is on the horizon, but wouldn't be surprised if it comes to it, considering the state of the world.

[Gemmaugr]

Maybe best to get your favorites off before whole YouTube is Widevined.

When is this happening persay?

I am curious.

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/12563

[frostknight]

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/12563

Lovely... -_-

[frostknight]

Be careful with yt-dlp if you are in the USA, as they are cracking down hard on it and you may be in serious trouble with section 1201 of the DMCA attaching jail time to it.

Have you seen any articles about this recently? Been meaning to ask about this.

I did a search and found only that google is cracking down on it not the FBI or anyone else.