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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Moonchild » 2026-01-14, 22:51

mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-14, 18:52
Windows users complain about systemd.
No, they don't. Linux users complain about systemd. Windows users are oblivious to it.
mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-14, 18:52
svchost.exe processes. What are they? Should I kill one of them or maybe all when I encounter a problem?
You shouldn't kill any of them, as instances of svchost can and often will serve multiple system services. Instead, go through the services manager and configure what you need to configure there. Killing svchost entries in task manager is like pointing a partially loaded revolver at your foot and hoping there's no bullet in the chamber when you pull the trigger.
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2026-01-14, 18:52
So on to Rust.
Not sure why you're making the same point in multiple threads. lacking attention? Or just trying to stir things up?
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-14, 23:00

mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-14, 18:52
With Linux you are in control (if you want to).
This phrase is curious to me. What would Linux be like for somebody who does not want control? We have already got answers, in a way, in Android and Chrome OS. I do not know enough about Steam OS’s behaviour to say whether it forces updates upon its users, but it is designed foremost for use with DRM-burdened games, so I have little reason for optimism there. Notwithstanding these, I am wondering about what a desktop Linux user would be doing if his experience really were analogous to Windows 11. Perhaps that is the best gauge for how evil a distro is. :twisted:
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Killing svchost entries in task manager is like pointing a partially loaded revolver at your foot and hoping there's no bullet in the chamber when you pull the trigger.
Russian roulette for the man with some (not quite enough) sense of self-preservation.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by RealityRipple » 2026-01-14, 23:36

Mæstro wrote:
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What would Linux be like for somebody who does not want control?
Mac

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Night Wing » 2026-01-14, 23:57

In the Linux community, there are quite a few who complain loudly against "systemd". And on the other side, there are quite a few who complain loudly about "sysvinit". As for me since I use two linux distros, I really do not have any "dog in this fight" between the two "camps".

My two distros I use are MX Linux and Debian, both in the Xfce desktop environment. MX offers two isos'. One iso offers systemd and the other iso offers sysvinit.

The MX I use, uses systemd. Why? For me, it came down to "software compatibility. MX is based on Debian. Debian 13 only offers systemd. So if I am installing or using software for MX, I want that software to be closely aligned/compatible with Debian's systemd.

And I have experienced no problems with systemd.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-15, 00:46

Night Wing wrote:
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And I have experienced no problems with systemd.
Neither have I. Would avoiding Systemd actually make my processor run cooler on average? I notice that I have always thought so much, based on no more than a vague feeling.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Night Wing » 2026-01-15, 01:04

Mæstro wrote:
2026-01-15, 00:46
[Would avoiding Systemd actually make my processor run cooler on average? I notice that I have always thought so much, based on no more than a vague feeling.
I think the only way to tell is to install the iso with Systemd on bare metal and see how it performs for you.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by mr tribute » 2026-01-15, 03:24

Moonchild wrote:
2026-01-14, 22:51
mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-14, 18:52
svchost.exe processes. What are they? Should I kill one of them or maybe all when I encounter a problem?
You shouldn't kill any of them, as instances of svchost can and often will serve multiple system services. Instead, go through the services manager and configure what you need to configure there. Killing svchost entries in task manager is like pointing a partially loaded revolver at your foot and hoping there's no bullet in the chamber when you pull the trigger.
That's what I meant. svchost.exe processes are opaque.
Moonchild wrote:
2026-01-14, 22:51
mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-14, 18:52
So on to Rust.
Not sure why you're making the same point in multiple threads. lacking attention? Or just trying to stir things up?
If you look closer you will see that Maestro has quoted my post from this thread and brought that quote to the "Windows 11 still sucks" thread. I haven't mentioned Rust in the "Windows 11 still sucks" thread.
You have to ask Maestro why they did that.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by andyprough » 2026-01-15, 13:33

Moonchild wrote:
2026-01-14, 22:51
Linux users complain about systemd. Windows users are oblivious to it.
What are you seeing on your end? More Linux machines downloading Pale Moon, or less, or about the same?

I'm thinking the Linux downloads are probably about the same. We have a lot of Linux chatter on the forum lately, but not any huge increase in GNU/Linux distro support requests.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-15, 14:37

Night Wing wrote:
2026-01-15, 01:04
I think the only way to tell is to install the iso with Systemd on bare metal and see how it performs for you.
I have been running Systemd for five years now without any complaints about system performance. Abandoning Systemd might improve performance, but I see this as improving a good situation, not curing a disease. The natural time for me to abandon Systemd would be whenever it is time to install something else over Debian 10, but I have no reason to hasten that day. Perhaps a separate ‘Debian v Antix’ thread would be appropriate in the springtime, ie at a time when my coursework is done and I could consider installing a new OS.
mr tribute wrote:
2026-01-15, 03:24
If you look closer you will see that Maestro has quoted my post from this thread and brought that quote to the "Windows 11 still sucks" thread. I haven't mentioned Rust in the "Windows 11 still sucks" thread.
You have to ask Maestro why they did that.
They? There is only one of me, as far as I know.
You posted something about Windows 11 development in this thread. I wanted to comment on it, but it would just have been too silly if the Windows 11 thread always lapses into Linux discussion, and then the Linux thread turns into a chat about Windows 11. Hence, I left my Windows comments in the Windows thread. :mrgreen:
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by laki2 » 2026-01-15, 18:47

andyprough wrote:
2026-01-15, 13:33
Moonchild wrote:
2026-01-14, 22:51
Linux users complain about systemd. Windows users are oblivious to it.
What are you seeing on your end? More Linux machines downloading Pale Moon, or less, or about the same?

I'm thinking the Linux downloads are probably about the same. We have a lot of Linux chatter on the forum lately, but not any huge increase in GNU/Linux distro support requests.
Because it already supports everything.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Night Wing » 2026-01-15, 19:00

Mæstro wrote:
2026-01-15, 14:37
I have been running Systemd for five years now without any complaints about system performance. Abandoning Systemd might improve performance, but I see this as improving a good situation, not curing a disease. The natural time for me to abandon Systemd would be whenever it is time to install something else over Debian 10, but I have no reason to hasten that day. Perhaps a separate ‘Debian v Antix’ thread would be appropriate in the springtime, ie at a time when my coursework is done and I could consider installing a new OS.
You are using Debian 10 which is quite old since Debian 13.3 is now the current distro. I think you are using Debian 10 because your computer is "old" which cannot handle more robust distros so performance is going to be "less" in my opinion. And even "used" (second hand computers) can be costly. And if I recall, your Debian 10 ELTS is a paid for "extended long term support". This gives you until 2029 when your Debian will reach "end of life" without any support.

Debian 10 offered many different desktop environments which were; Gnome, Xfce, KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, Mate, LXDE, LXQT and Budgie. The "LX" desktop environments were the "lightest" in resources for computers which didn't have enough "oomph" if you get my drift. I do not know anything about the antiX distro so I cannot comment on it.

I am typing this post using my daily driver desktop tower which has lots of "oomph". But I intend to show you my 2013 backup desktop tower, which originally came with Windows 8. I got it on the cheap, $300, but even though it was built around 2013, it has lots of "oomph".

It has a fourth generation Intel i7 chip with a processor speed of (3.40) with 32 GB of memory. I will post this message, then get on my backup desktop and come back and edit this post to show you it's specifications. Even with an old 2013 desktop tower computer, it does not suffer much when it comes to "performance".

EDIT: I am now on my backup desktop tower computer. Below are it's specifications.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by andyprough » 2026-01-15, 19:28

laki2 wrote:
2026-01-15, 18:47
andyprough wrote:
2026-01-15, 13:33
Moonchild wrote:
2026-01-14, 22:51
Linux users complain about systemd. Windows users are oblivious to it.
What are you seeing on your end? More Linux machines downloading Pale Moon, or less, or about the same?

I'm thinking the Linux downloads are probably about the same. We have a lot of Linux chatter on the forum lately, but not any huge increase in GNU/Linux distro support requests.
Because it already supports everything.
I meant that I haven't noticed a big increase in GNU/Linux distro users requesting support for their Pale Moon installations in this forum.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Moonchild » 2026-01-15, 19:38

andyprough wrote:
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What are you seeing on your end? More Linux machines downloading Pale Moon, or less, or about the same?
I'll have a look at various logs to try to gauge the number/percentage of Linux users. I don't really have download statistics, certainly not for Linux because a lot of them go through package managers and the like.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-15, 20:50

Night Wing wrote:
2026-01-15, 19:00
You are using Debian 10 which is quite old since Debian 13.3 is now the current distro. I think you are using Debian 10 because your computer is "old" which cannot handle more robust distros so performance is going to be "less" in my opinion. And even "used" (second hand computers) can be costly. And if I recall, your Debian 10 ELTS is a paid for "extended long term support". This gives you until 2029 when your Debian will reach "end of life" without any support.
I installed Debian 10 in 2020, when it was current. Because coping with technical problems is, without hyperbole, bad for my sanity, I have long since learnt to leave well enough alone as far as technical matters are concerned. Technical problems possess the near-unique power, comparable only to those which affect direct bodily needs like sleep (I am quite sensitive to sleep deprivation) or food. (Technical problems mean more than computer problems. My flat’s water supply here is possibly suffering a critical failure which could result in my absence here for days or weeks beginning later tonight.) This is because, by their nature against the background of my handicap, they can come on without any warning, robbing me of the ability to live my life as normal or even take a break from the problem to calm myself or reach out to friends or family for emotional support. I know better than to look for trouble, which discourages any sort of tinkering.

In particular, replacing the OS would first require a complete system back-up, itself an all-day affair I can only really spare between academic terms, ie when I am on holiday and would rather be relaxing with things I actually like doing, I would need to make sure in advance of relevant details in choice of distro to ensure that it will actually meet all my needs before I install it, for the cost of recovering from failure would be prohibitively high. Hence, in switching to Debian 10 from Windows 7 to begin, I needed to wait until after my uni’s autumn 2020 term ended and I had thoroughly researched hardware capability etc so I could know for sure that I could do so safely. It is better for me to wait until the spring, after my present academic business is behind me and I am again living somewhere else, where coping with technical problems is somewhat easier, before attempting any OS replacement, but wisdom tells me I should avoid making any drastic changes, like OS replacement, unless it is imminently necessary, like when the updater misbehaved in 2022, or three years hence as ELTS for Debian 10 lapses. Unless or until this happens, it is safest, in the sense of sparing me from miserable evenings with my mind addled by prolonged panic attacks, to avoid migrating. (It may be noted that ELTS is free for private users, as Freexian, who offers the support, has informed me in private correspondence.)

Hence, I am using this time to gather information about possible successors to Debian 10 on my computer. In the interest of ensuring my transition is as smooth as possible, the then-current version of Debian is a natural candidate, but because older computers tend to be neglected, I have recognised that a lightweight OS like AntiX might be necessary. I have spoken elsewhere about the sentimental value this computer has for me and my intent to continue using it for as long as it still works. How to tell which should meet my needs three years hence without actually testing them is challenging. My frequent questions here from experienced Linux users serve this purpose.
But I intend to show you my 2013 backup desktop tower, which originally came with Windows 8. I got it on the cheap, $300, but even though it was built around 2013, it has lots of "oomph". It has a fourth generation Intel i7 chip with a processor speed of (3.40) with 32 GB of memory. I will post this message, then get on my backup desktop and come back and edit this post to show you it's specifications. Even with an old 2013 desktop tower computer, it does not suffer much when it comes to "performance".
Laptops are inferior, of course. This one from 2012 has a 1400 MHz processor, which would be overclocked by default to 1900 MHz until I forbade this with cpufreq. It has also got only 6 GB store, of which only five are usable, where lag is notable if over four are being used. I have said elsewhere that I am used to living within 2000s limits, and this is another example of that. I do not know how much this computer had cost in 2012, for it was a gift for me when I was a child. I had bought a spare computer last year for €400, but I have lost its charger and cannot give you its figures until I have replaced it. I must go now to test whether the water has failed as feared, but if it has not, I would like to edit this to report my own computer’s detailed specifications.

Edit: The water supply is holding for now, but I cannot rule out such a disruption to my presence here until my landlord hears from the bacteriologist about possible bacilli in the plumbing. Here the information for my main computer. The spare one must wait until I have found a charger.

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System:    Host: ayaka Kernel: 4.19.0-27-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           Desktop: Cinnamon 5.0.7 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: LMDE 4 Debbie 
           base: Debian 10.2 buster 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC 
           v: 0790100000205710000620100 serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 182D v: 55.25 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: Insyde 
           v: F.22 date: 12/19/2012 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: AMD A8-4500M APU with Radeon HD Graphics bits: 64 type: MCP 
           arch: Piledriver rev: 1 L2 cache: 2048 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 15173 
           Speed: 1397 MHz min/max: 1400/1900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1397 2: 1398 3: 1396 
           4: 1397 
Graphics:  Device-1: AMD Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: radeon 
           v: kernel bus ID: 00:01.0 chip ID: 1002:9903 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: AMD ARUBA (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.19.0-27-amd64 LLVM 7.0.1) 
           v: 4.3 Mesa 18.3.6 compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: AMD Trinity HDMI Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus ID: 00:01.1 chip ID: 1002:9902 
           Device-2: AMD FCH Azalia vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:14.2 chip ID: 1022:780d 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-27-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard AR9485/HB125 802.11bgn 1×1 Wi-Fi driver: ath9k v: kernel 
           port: 3100 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 168c:0032 
           IF: wlo1 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 04:00.0 
           chip ID: 10ec:8168 
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter> 
           IF-ID-1: tun0 state: unknown speed: 10 Mbps duplex: full mac: N/A 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 698.64 GiB used: 131.41 GiB (18.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST9750420AS size: 698.64 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s 
           serial: <filter> 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 679.44 GiB used: 131.04 GiB (19.3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1 
           ID-2: /boot size: 942.3 MiB used: 288.4 MiB (30.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 5.30 GiB used: 85.5 MiB (1.6%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 52.9 C mobo: 30.0 C gpu: radeon temp: 49 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/Floorp.list 
           1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/Floorp.gpg] https: //ppa.floorp.app/$(ARCH) ./
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list 
           1: deb http: //deb.freexian.com/extended-lts buster-lts main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list 
           1: deb http: //packages.linuxmint.com debbie main upstream import backport
           2: deb http: //debian.anexia.at/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
           3: deb http: //debian.anexia.at/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
           4: deb http: //security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free
           5: deb http: //debian.anexia.at/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free
Info:      Processes: 227 Uptime: 3h 57m Memory: 5.30 GiB used: 4.23 GiB (79.8%) Init: systemd 
           v: 241 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Client: Unknown python3.7 client 
           inxi: 3.0.32 
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by frostknight » 2026-01-16, 00:29

Moonchild wrote:
2025-10-31, 17:53
Give it a few months.
What did you mean when you said this?

Also btw, i feel the need to make a comment about your quote of linux makes everything difficult, there is at least two things linux does not make more difficult and it goes the opposite way in fact.

resource usage is generally way less by default and privacy is way better.. Ie, no backdoors are on purpose put in the system. Even systemd developers as much as I dislike them, try not to screw things up on this level as much as windows, google or apple. Aka they don't want to lose clients by breaking linux too much.

I would also say security too, for quite a few of the above reasons as well. So that is actually 3.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Night Wing » 2026-01-16, 00:58

Mæstro wrote:
2026-01-15, 20:50
In particular, replacing the OS would first require a complete system back-up, itself an all-day affair I can only really spare between academic terms, ie when I am on holiday and would rather be relaxing with things I actually like doing, I would need to make sure in advance of relevant details in choice of distro to ensure that it will actually meet all my needs before I install it, for the cost of recovering from failure would be prohibitively high.
I know when you eventually replace the OS (distro), you want to make "sure in advance" it will work "before" you install it. In essence, with all of your due diligence making sure it will work might be 99%.

But that 1% left is a fickle beast. It just might throw you a curve ball where it might not meet your "needs, likes and wants" in the end. And you will be back to "square one". This 1% where I live is in the realm of "Murphy's Law" which states; "If anything can go wrong, it will go wrong". Basically, you really want a guarantee where there is no guarantee.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-16, 17:12

Night Wing wrote:
2026-01-16, 00:58
[W]ith all of your due diligence making sure it will work might be 99%. But that 1% left is a fickle beast. It just might throw you a curve ball where it might not meet your "needs, likes and wants" in the end… Basically, you really want a guarantee where there is no guarantee.
You are right. The precautionary principle governs my method here; i have spoken enough about the possible dangers. Such a remote chance of things going wrong is why I should wait until I know I can tolerate the costs in time and distress thus incurred. For me, a guarantee includes a clear alternative plan which can return me to sane working conditions if things go horribly wrong, but a contingency plan might require resources only sometimes available, restricting when I can safely attend to the matter.
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by andyprough » 2026-01-16, 17:15

frostknight wrote:
2026-01-16, 00:29
Also btw, i feel the need to make a comment about your quote of linux makes everything difficult, there is at least two things linux does not make more difficult and it goes the opposite way in fact.

resource usage is generally way less by default and privacy is way better.. Ie, no backdoors are on purpose put in the system. Even systemd developers as much as I dislike them, try not to screw things up on this level as much as windows, google or apple. Aka they don't want to lose clients by breaking linux too much.

I would also say security too, for quite a few of the above reasons as well. So that is actually 3.
Now you're just trolling. You and I both know that @MC can have as much or as little resource usage as he likes on just about any OS, and that he can control the network connections. So arguing with him that any distro or OS is better than any other one is pointless. It will use as many resources and make as many network connections as he allows it for his own purposes.

Also, the statement "Linux makes everything difficult" is a quote from Lyceus Anubite, famous online wolf artist. Totally different person than the famous online wolf artist @Moonchild.

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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Mæstro » 2026-01-16, 17:24

Earlier in this thread, I have already compared Debian 10’s and Windows 7’s system loads on this computer, as far as anyone is genuinely interested in that comparison. In brief, Debian 10 used to demand somewhat more, as measured indirectly through average CPU temperature or considered through innate, OS-led capacity to limit processor usage (I am thinking of Windows 7’s power settings here), but years of patching have returned the two to a par. My more recent comments attest to how Linux (or technical problems in general) can make things hard for me. I have many memories of panic attacks begotten by Linux problems, none by Windows 7. I abstained from 10, and abstain from 11, for I know they would cause me far more panic attacks. Questions of the best operating system are a traditional subject for holy wars, better avoided. Off in Berkeley, one finds sanity:
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Re: Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

Post by Moonchild » 2026-01-16, 17:53

frostknight wrote:
2026-01-16, 00:29
i feel the need to make a comment about your quote of linux makes everything difficult
First off, as pointed out that wasn't my quote; I just happen to agree with it ;)
Secondly, you completely missed the meaning of that quote. Neither resource use nor security nor privacy is any less or more difficult in Linux.
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