CloudFlare discussion thread

[q160765803]

I don't know if this affects the result, but my workplace's network environment requires all outgoing connections go thru a HTTP CONNECT proxy.

[billmcct]

I have as yet been unable to pass any CF captchas. Works fine in new profiles.
Time to build a new profile I guess. After allowing MS to update my version of Windows 10,
uBO has been giving me nothing but trouble. Sites that I have been visiting for years suddenly
just would not load without having to change things in uBO.

[back2themoon]

What I am definitively noticing lately, is a rapid (sudden?) increase in the amount of websites using Cloudflare... it is good that we got things moving and working.

Perhaps their recent AI-blocking feature made a good impression?

[Moonchild]

a rapid (sudden?) increase in the amount of websites using CloudFlare...

I don't think that's the case. a very large percentage of sites were already using CloudFlare, but it may have been invisible to the users -- with the uptick of scrapers and AI bots, more sites have needed to start using the anti-bot stuff which makes the fact the site is using CloudFlare immediately visible.

[Pelican]

What I am definitively noticing lately, is a rapid (sudden?) increase in the amount of websites using Cloudflare...

This may be caused by saturation... perhaps the load on their resources is slowing down their process and making it more visible.

Over the last 2 days I have been reviewing shareware sites, only to find that most have disappeared or have their domains for sale. But of those still running, many have adopted Cloudfuss which was noticeable due to the delay in checking "if I was human".

Some I failed to reach because my browser failed their test, and I was using Firefox every time. For a couple of sites, I was advised that I was banned!

[Sessh]

I found one CF site that doesn't work at all. Even after unblocking stuff as normal or even in a Clean Profile, it just spins and spins. It doesn't seem to load any CF elements at all after unblocking stuff in uBO and uMatrix as it usually does. Anyone else seeing this?

http://famous-trials.com/socrates

[billmcct]

I have started building a new profile in PM Portable x64 and hitting the
above mentioned site "http://famous-trials.com/socrates" the page just straight loaded.
NO captcha.

Trial of Socrates.png

EDIT:
Checking cookies, there are no CF cookies under the domain "famous-trials.com"

[Gemmaugr]

I can confirm a problem on the "http://famous-trials.com/socrates" page. After I allowed it in eMatrix, it reloaded itself three times before I gave up.

EDIT: httpS works though. Ticked the box and got in right quick.

[Moonchild]

using http (no s) with cloudflare's turnstile is a known problem. I already indicated this to CF but apparently they don't care enough about the clear web to give it time.

[billmcct]

I guess I passed it because of the HTTPS everywhere add-on.

[Sessh]

Ahh yeah, didn't even notice that. Adding the "s" on makes it work fine.

[back2themoon]

A very large percentage of sites were already using CloudFlare, but it may have been invisible to the users -- with the uptick of scrapers and AI bots, more sites have needed to start using the anti-bot stuff which makes the fact the site is using CloudFlare immediately visible.

Yes, that make sense. It keeps growing faster than men's prostates.

Looks like AI is triggering deep, core changes to the Internet. Whether positive or negative...

[suzyne]

Looks like AI is triggering deep, core changes to the Internet. Whether positive or negative...

I am not sure if there are any positives to be had? Only negative is what I see.

[back2themoon]

Well, there must be something positive.

Holders of freely available content standing up against big corps grabbing their material? It remains to be seen who's going to win this fight though.

[Bilbo47]

CF ... apparently they don't care ... about the clear web

They want to, through SSL certs, obtain coarse- and fine-grained control over which parts of the internet to disallow access aka turn off at will.

[Moonchild]

CF ... apparently they don't care ... about the clear web

They want to, through SSL certs, obtain coarse- and fine-grained control over which parts of the internet to disallow access aka turn off at will.

No, I don't think so as that kind of complexity makes no sense. After all, CF by definition already controls DNS so they don't need to do it through certs.

[f-117]

Here is another site that has the "CloudFlare problem"... TechSpot.com

https://www.techspot.com/community/

When I go to the forums and try to open a topic, the "CloudFlare screen comes up and after three seconds the browser freezes and have to restart PM or Bas.

I get the same problem when I try to log into my account as well.

Any word from CF? Anything at all? Not even a "peep"? They can't be ignoring us..

Scott

P.S.
This happens on Win7 and 10, and the latest versions of Bas. and PM.

[back2themoon]

Works fine here. In case you are using ηMatrix or similar, you must allow these:

techspot.com challenges.cloudflare.com frame allow
techspot.com challenges.cloudflare.com script allow

You also need to be patient. Verification can take several seconds.

[Gemmaugr]

In a very surprising turn, cloudflare vocally comes out and supports Ladybird (an upcoming,work-in-progress, non-chromium/firefox browser).

https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting- ... -open-web/

Now, will this turn out to be just marketing, or have they really changed their usual "chrome only" tune? Only time will tell.

[Night Wing]

In a very surprising turn, cloudflare vocally comes out and supports Ladybird (an upcoming,work-in-progress, non-chromium/firefox browser).

https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting- ... -open-web/

Now, will this turn out to be just marketing, or have they really changed their usual "chrome only" tune? Only time will tell.

Off-topic:
I clicked on your link you provided. Then I clicked on some of the other links in that link and below is what caught my eye.

Cloudflare is doing more than just supporting Ladybird. CF "sponsors" it as well. In lawyer speak, when a company sponsors something, that usually entails giving money to that something. Maybe there were grumblings from somewhere that CF was on a Chrome only tune blocking a lot of browsers other than Chrome.

As an example. Google, which owns Chrome, Chrome is like an 800 pound gorilla marketshare wise in the US(A). And basically, it can do whatever it whats in the USA and get away with it. Why? I imagine Google "donates" a lot of money to US political campaigns to keep it's status quo with US politicians. And US politicians love "donated campaign money in their coffers. This is just conjecture on my part.

But Google has trouble with the big fines it receives from the EU (European Union). Google cannot run roughshod over EU politicians like it can with US politicians so Google has to "tip toe through the tulips" with the EU if you get my drift. Again, just conjecture on my part.

Getting back to Ladybird. It looks like Ladybird is already in linux. But there is a caveat. It is only in a linux distro for developers named, Omarchy. This distro is Arch based. And Arch is the realm of the power users.

Since I am not power user in linux , Arch gave me nothing but trouble. I have tried using another Arch based distro and that was Manjaro. But Manjaro worked until it didn't work. For me, Manjaro can use the AUR which is the bleeding edge for programs in Arch. But the Manjaro developers do not stay up with the applications in the AUR. Manjaro was breaking on their updates and it had to do with the applications in the AUR so I had to quit using Manjaro.

Lastly, Omarchy 3.0, as of this posting, is a 7 GB iso. That is "HUGE". So for me, I will not be trying Ladybird in this distro since Omarchy is way beyond my linux knowledge.