YouTube SLOW!
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- Night Wing
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@ Clasof56
The only problem with Invidious is, it doesn't support some of the high definition settings which YouTube does. As an example the "Haley Otto Style" titled surfing video in YouTube can be seen in 2160p60 (4K) high definition.
But in Invidious, the highest high definition for the exact same video is only 720p.
The only problem with Invidious is, it doesn't support some of the high definition settings which YouTube does. As an example the "Haley Otto Style" titled surfing video in YouTube can be seen in 2160p60 (4K) high definition.
But in Invidious, the highest high definition for the exact same video is only 720p.
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Yes, night wing, i agree. but for me most youtube videos dont have to be really great quality. Football games come out really good plus you can download videos from indidious and harder to do with you tube. anyway, just another option to try to work around a small problem. clas
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Most of the videos I watch I don't actually watch. They're usually music studio recordings, covers, or live performances that I just listen to. The main problem I experience between Pale Moon and Youtube that is really just a PIMA (pain in my..) annoyance is that when a clip starts the audio and video play just fine, but only for a second or so.. The video freezes but the audio continues normally. After 3 or 4 seconds the video will start playing again. I have tried all the suggestions given to others with YT issues and none have worked to rectify my specific situation, and it really doesn't matter (to me) anyway, because I just want to be able to hear videos..
Now sometimes there's a TV channel or a movie that I want to stream. I just use a different browser then. For some reason, that other browsers' main use has become 'to stream only' more and more..
I must say that I also use the PMPlayer add-on a bit more than occasionally.
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One other tweak I am using for YT I failed to mention in my earlier post -I quite frankly forgot I was using it- is a Grease monkey script for the "old" YT GUI.
Apparently it worked for me, as I did not remove it and worked as advertised, here it is just in case someone wants it:
Apparently it worked for me, as I did not remove it and worked as advertised, here it is just in case someone wants it:
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I had similar problems with other browsers and then I decided to upgrade RAM to 16GB DDR4 and everything became fast.
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Pale Moon definitely has a problem on Youtube and some other Google sites, because of JS. The only proper solution for now is to use some chromium for it instead... And that's not CPU or RAM problem, because all of this JS seem to be executed in a single thread.
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Yes I tried palemoon and firefox on the same PC on youtube, and palemoon was slow and firefox was fast, so the problem comes from palemoon.
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No it doesn't. The Pale Moon browser doesn't ignore the problem thus making the problem more apparent. The problem might start with a G and there's a lot of $'s in it too.
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The problem comes from that specific JS.
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Pale Moon does not support webcomponents now, so Youtube loads polyfill. Webcomponents functionality is emulated by polyfill. This emulation is extremely slow.
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I'm trying out Pale Moon 32.1.0b3 with Web Components support and TBH, feels about the same as with adding Firefox/42.0 in the user agent. Maybe it makes a difference on even slower machine? I have an aging AMD Phenom II X4 920 CPU clocked at 3 GHz, which wasn't very fast even when it was new. Also, 64-bit build has always been a bit slower in my experience, plus obviously more RAM hungry, so I've been sticking with 32-bit build. Additionally, Pale Moon continues to be incredibly slow on Speedometer 2.0 and it shows in real life.
Has anyone experimented with alternative front-ends for YouTube? So far, I've tried Invidious (eg. https://invidious.weblibre.org/) and Piped (eg. https://piped.video/). Invidious insists on using AV1 codec in DASH mode (allows higher resolutions), which is way too heavy for older machines while Piped doesn't like caching, so put video on the loop and portions of it will have to re-download over and over. I wonder if there's a trick that could influence caching on this front-end.
Has anyone experimented with alternative front-ends for YouTube? So far, I've tried Invidious (eg. https://invidious.weblibre.org/) and Piped (eg. https://piped.video/). Invidious insists on using AV1 codec in DASH mode (allows higher resolutions), which is way too heavy for older machines while Piped doesn't like caching, so put video on the loop and portions of it will have to re-download over and over. I wonder if there's a trick that could influence caching on this front-end.
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I like Invidious and have set any YouTube link to redirect thither. To avoid automatic play (needful for bandwidth limits), I disable scripts on the site and download or open any reel I would like to watch. While I wish it would let me select 240p with sound over 360p, it works well.
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Operating System: Linux Mint Debian Edition 4 (amd64)
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I do see significant difference with Web Components beta. On slighly older computer (i5-7500, Win10), same random YT video in 32.0.1 takes 16 seconds until UI completely renders and CPU usage drops down. In 32.1.0b3 it drops down to 10 seconds, so great job. Of course in Edge it takes about 3 seconds.
As for other frontends, Piped works great when it comes to speed, but for me it gets stuck relatively often. Which is something on server side, because it happens in all browsers, there are 403 (I think) network errors for some reason.
As for other frontends, Piped works great when it comes to speed, but for me it gets stuck relatively often. Which is something on server side, because it happens in all browsers, there are 403 (I think) network errors for some reason.
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Since I stopped viewing Any YT vids (maybe once in a blue moon) I had to check and see if YT had gotten worse: I clicked an external link and it took approx 5 seconds tops, to start playing. I then clicked a link within YT and it took about 3 seconds to start play, the last time I was logged into YT (not too long ago but not this time) it would take 1-2 secs to start play...'Shrugs' and/or
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"The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have started asking humans to prove they're not a robot."
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"The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have started asking humans to prove they're not a robot."
"Man needs difficulties; they are necessary for health." ~Carl Jung
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There's difference between when it starts to play (that's not too bad, it's roughly half of it) and when UI becomes usable. In theory, you come for the video, so it's good when it starts to play early. Except when it's preceded by annoying ads that you can't even skip when UI doesn't react. And it's just the initial access, further navigation is fine.
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I'm curious what load time will be with final 32-bit build. If I compare with Firefox 60 user agent that was used before by default, initial load is definitely much better, it needed about 30 seconds then. It's like they serve slower polyfill to Firefox 60...if it's even connected to polyfill or something else in the internals.
Yeah, I forgot, I experienced interruptions with Piped as well. I like that there's a setting for codecs though, Invidious could really use that.
Yeah, I forgot, I experienced interruptions with Piped as well. I like that there's a setting for codecs though, Invidious could really use that.
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Re: YouTube SLOW!
As people said, using alternative front-ends fix slowness problem, I also want to share my way of fixing slowness of Youtube, it's popping video to MPV player and watch from MPV instead, better performance, better features, there's no downsides: viewtopic.php?p=237564#p237564