Linux has over 6% of the desktop market

[Garland]

This market analysis may be useful for Pale Moon development planning...
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has ... heres-how/

Notice how Linux is one of the most popular subjects on YouTube:
https://inv.nadeko.net/feed/popular

PewDiePie has 110 million subscribers on YouTube, and even he is recommending Linux:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVI_smLgTY0

[Moonchild]

Give it a few months.

[Night Wing]

PewDiePie has 110 million subscribers on YouTube, and even he is recommending Linux:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVI_smLgTY0

I liked the video because it reminded me of me in late 2012. But when he went and installed Arch that was a; "No, no, DEFINITEY not" moment for me". Arch.......ATE......my lunch when I tried it.

[frostknight]

I liked the video because it reminded me of me in late 2012. But when he went and installed Arch that was a; "No, no, DEFINITEY not" moment for me". Arch.......ATE......my lunch when I tried it.

I would not recommend any rolling release bleeding edge distro.

I like the DIY idea, but I also want init freedom... so... yeah not using archlinux. Also, want to use a linux-libre kernel too.



But this being said, he should have given options for different people, like...

if you are really smart and patient, archlinux.

If you need it to just work, linux mint

and in between? Debian/devuan.

That's just me tho.

[Mæstro]

The data, as presented, treat mobile and desktop browsers at par. In 2024, if we exclude mobile users (53%), Windows, Macintosh and Linux (without Chrome OS) were respectively 64%, 22% and 10% of US PC usage. (Chrome OS has 4%.) This matches the Statcounter figures if we suppose ‘unknown OS’ there means Linux, suggesting Linux has enjoyed even more use than any of us imagined, and has even been overtaking the dominant systems over the long term in relative growth; NetApplications reported in 2005 that 95% of computers ran Windows, 4% Macintosh and <1% Linux. I have said before that our position resembles Mac users’ in the noughts. Twenty years ago, Macintosh was considered viable for normal users unless specific software only available for Windows were needed, and little appears to have changed in that respect since. How many people then would have switched to Mac OS X if not for the cost or specific applications? We are clearly doing quite well for ourselves, but studying Apple’s rise might reveal how one could truly bring on the fabled year of the Linux desktop.

Curiously, Washington reports three Windows 2000 users for every Windows 7 user last year: 9‰ against 3‰ of total usage (including mobile) for the period. For the 2024 US fiscal year, the figure is exactly two to one, with Windows 2000 enjoying a 14‰ share. Would anybody know (or be able to guess) why this is?

[andyprough]

Curiously, Washington reports three Windows 2000 users for every Windows 7 user last year: 9‰ against 3‰ of total usage (including mobile) for the period. For the 2024 US fiscal year, the figure is exactly two to one, with Windows 2000 enjoying a 14‰ share. Would anybody know (or be able to guess) why this is?

Wasn't Windows 2000 Server about the most beloved server version of Windows ever?

I've read that Win 2000 Server is still in use in a variety of medical equipment and manufacturing equipment.

[frostknight]

The data, as presented, treat mobile and desktop browsers at par. In 2024, if we exclude mobile users (53%), Windows, Macintosh and Linux (without Chrome OS) were respectively 64%, 22% and 10% of US PC usage. (Chrome OS has 4%.)

If this is accurate then the year of the linux desktop has indeed happened.

Although to be fair, even 6% I feel like would be a sign... but 10% is just insane...

This is no doubt due to all the AI abuse that is being forced down people's throats and anti-features as well. Stuff like co-pilot and its snapshots every 3 seconds though is probably the bigger reason.

How can privacy even exist... actually scratch that, HOW can security even of your credit card information and similar not get leaked everywhere with such crap lol.

Seriously...

xD

[gabrgv]

Time to switch over to BSD, then. xD

[frostknight]

Time to switch over to BSD, then. xD

Why is that?

You afraid of enshittification happening to linux?

It has been there for a while since redhat joined the game.

Albeit, its miles away from proprietary OSes.

[Lucio Chiappetti]

Are you talking of the fact that naive/consumer users tend to confuse a Linux flavour with its default desktop environment and associated tools and libraries (e.g Ubuntu-Gnome, Kubuntu-KDE, Xubuntu-xfce etdc. etc.) ? Or of the move from Xorg to Wayland ?

Personally after I install the default Xubuntu (formerly I was on SUSE), I install my customary window manager (fvwm) and work with that, without any DE (of course under Xorg), with the same look and feel I've always used.
Ah, and I freely mix tools from other DE's. For instance I use atril as pdf viewer, or kdiff3 as file differentiator.

[frostknight]

Are you talking of the fact that naive/consumer users tend to confuse a Linux flavour with its default desktop environment and associated tools and libraries (e.g Ubuntu-Gnome, Kubuntu-KDE, Xubuntu-xfce etdc. etc.) ? Or of the move from Xorg to Wayland ?

Got a feeling wayland has some unknown traps that haven't been revealed and possibly that the wayland devs are unaware of.

Personally after I install the default Xubuntu (formerly I was on SUSE), I install my customary window manager (fvwm) and work with that, without any DE (of course under Xorg), with the same look and feel I've always used.
Ah, and I freely mix tools from other DE's. For instance I use atril as pdf viewer, or kdiff3 as file differentiator.

I use Hyperbola mostly, Gnuinos as alternate on other drive and for one computer just devuan. (I try to have two SSDs on each computer)

And I use JWM window manager on all of them. I also use jwmkit as well to further enhance the features.

[vannilla]

Got a feeling wayland has some unknown traps that haven't been revealed and possibly that the wayland devs are unaware of.

Off-topic:
Wayland is missing a lot of features that any OS, whether desktop or mobile, has provided out of the box since Steve Jobs used the Smalltalk demo when he visited the Palo Alto labs. And that's not counting anything else that might have cropped up since Wayland's first release.
It has been a great disappointment and I was hyped about it too, thinking it was going to make things better. It really didn't, unless your use of a computer interface consists of having a singular full screen window open at any given time.

[frostknight]

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Wayland is missing a lot of features that any OS, whether desktop or mobile, has provided out of the box since Steve Jobs used the Smalltalk demo when he visited the Palo Alto labs. And that's not counting anything else that might have cropped up since Wayland's first release.
It has been a great disappointment and I was hyped about it too, thinking it was going to make things better. It really didn't, unless your use of a computer interface consists of having a singular full screen window open at any given time.

That wasn't what I meant, but it is probably true too

[gabrgv]

It's just that I feel like all these "FOSS" enthusiasts hipsters that are coming this way wont do any good to the simplicity of the UNIX system I want.
Maybe wayland has something to do with it, but it's not just that, before it we had systemd, dbus... even gtk3 is trash in my opinion (CSD and "overlay-scrolling" to name a couple of mistakes).
My problem with DEs like GNOME and KDE (and Xfce nowadays), besides that fact that they are, by default, objectively ugly, is that they are hugely bloated.
And the first thing this guys do when they switch to Linux is install Steam, wine, Chrome... it doesn't fit the (GNU+) Linux philosophy very well to my understanding. They will shove Discord into the depths of every piece of software possible.

[frostknight]

My problem with DEs like GNOME and KDE (and Xfce nowadays), besides that fact that they are, by default, objectively ugly,

Very much so...

The only desktop environment I think that looks good, actually is trinity desktop, but its so bloated I cannot install it on hyperbola due to many dependencies. I suppose the best way forward is to use theming to get what I want via jwmkit/jwm.

[frostknight]

Give it a few months.

I didn't ask, but what did you mean by this?

[Garland]

The increase in Linux market share is partly because of increase in MS code bugs:
https://www.techspot.com/news/110017-af ... limbs.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Hee3AXbLg

Another part is the MS treatment of privacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1eX_vvAlUc

But note that the second video applies to Linux too.

[Lucio Chiappetti]

Wayland is missing ... unless your use of a computer interface consists of having a singular full screen window open at any given time.

Definitely wayland is not for me. I keep several terminal windows, editors, a browser and other apps (none of them full screen) in several desktops. A couple of these terminals may be ssh sessions to a remote machine. Occasionally I edit some remote files with reverse X on display 10: Occasionally I run a VNC server on one remote machine, open a VNC viewer on my local machine and work remotely on that (two typical cases ... downloading from an http-oriented file server which should go on the remote disk, or accessing a scientific paper for which my institute has access right)

[frostknight]

Another part is the MS treatment of privacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1eX_vvAlUc

But note that the second video applies to Linux too.

That 2nd video is a good reason to not use windows 11 and if you cannot use windows 10, to go back to 7 for that matter.

I mean... co-pilot makes your security worse than an unsupported windows os like xp. So... Yeah.