"Privacy Preserving" feature that sends even more data to advertisers

[andyprough]

could you please point me to one of them which will continue support for Firefox ESR on Win7 after Firefox will end the 115- cycle?[/offtopic]

r3dfox is the project you are looking for: https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox

The r3dfox maintainer apparently doesn't know how to code, use with caution:

I don't really know how to code, I can kinda infer what the code does by analyzing it

[gepus]

r3dfox is the project you are looking for

Not really.
I already inspected that address and its content.
Anyway, thanks for the well intended suggestion.

[andyprough]

Not really.
I already inspected that address and its content.
Anyway, thanks for the well intended suggestion.

Everything I found in my limited searching either points to r3dfox or to Pale Moon. Might not know for sure until Firefox 115 hits end of life and see what the different forks try to do. Mercury browser is one to keep an eye on.

Also, I've seen people use ancient versions of IceCat for years at a time with no ill effects, since IceCat is already so locked down that exploits would be hard pressed to get past its defenses. Might be a good idea to eventually keep the final IceCat 115 version around: https://icecatbrowser.org/index.html

[gepus]

Off-topic:
@andyprough

I know IceCat pretty well since I used it myself as secondary browser till Windows support was dropped. Now they offer binaries for Win again.
It was (probably still is) IMHO the only fork worth to recommend. Since it is a GNU project chances for a freezing hell are more likely than a GNU project supporting an obsolete Windows-OS after Mozilla ends its own support.
As for keeping IceCat 115 because it is more secure than FirefoxESR is IMO a myth. The only differences between them are some bundled extensions, some changed internal prefs and telemetry removed. Otherwise it is the same code. Besides, after some time (1-2 years) it won't be even useful as secondary browser.

[andyprough]

I know IceCat pretty well since I used it myself as secondary browser till Windows support was dropped. Now they offer binaries for Win again.
It was (probably still is) IMHO the only fork worth to recommend. Since it is a GNU project chances for a freezing hell are more likely than a GNU project supporting an obsolete Windows-OS after Mozilla ends its own support.
As for keeping IceCat 115 because it is more secure than FirefoxESR is IMO a myth. The only differences between them are some bundled extensions, some changed internal prefs and telemetry removed. Otherwise it is the same code. Besides, after some time (1-2 years) it won't be even useful as secondary browser.

OK I see, you have more experience with IceCat than I do. I use a browser by one of the IceCat devs, Ruben Rodriguez, who makes a fork of the non-ESR Firefox called Abrowser, but it's only for Debian-based systems, nothing for Windows. Like you say, he's not going to lift a finger for an old version of Windows.

Someone should probably be talking to the devs for the Mercury and Waterfox browsers (and Floorp if anyone speaks Japanese), and lobbying them hard to keep supporting Win7 past Firefox-ESR 115's EOL. That Waterfox dev has supported older technologies in the past when Mozilla moved on, maybe he'd see Win7 as a big opportunity to gain some browser market share. Someone should be working on that kind of stuff now, there will be a small fortune to be made when Win10 reaches EOL and its hundreds of millions of users are left in the lurch.

[frostknight]

Actually, it wasn't. Mozilla was very much against EME when it was first proposed. But it does look like the current Mozilla has eroded to the point where they are peddling Google stuff just as hard as Chrome is, without reserve.

I meant the current mozilla actually. I wasn't aware they fought against it when it was first proposed.

Well, it depends. If there are enough people on Win 7-8.1 who would like a browser getting continued security updates then I can extend the life support of ESR-115 for them with little effort.

I am just saying, you do enough for the community as it is and I thank you for it.

Off-topic:
Especially if I sometimes am too fanatical about linux and stuff and you try to let it go.

PS, I still have stuff against mainstream linux.

Not all of them, of course though.

[frostknight]

OK I see, you have more experience with IceCat than I do. I use a browser by one of the IceCat devs, Ruben Rodriguez, who makes a fork of the non-ESR Firefox called Abrowser, but it's only for Debian-based systems, nothing for Windows. Like you say, he's not going to lift a finger for an old version of Windows.

I think he should just be doing an ESR based one. That would save him so much time rather than maintain two separate firefox esr forks.


Betterfox is also an idea though if desired. its like arkenfox, but more updated.

PS, I am talking about Ruben not Moonchild in this case.

[frostknight]

Off-topic:
Many people are well educated not to speak with a full mouth, but they have no qualms about doing so with an empty head.

Was not my intention to be a broken record, my bad

[BenFenner]

Interesting. I'm giving LibreWolf a look for the first time just now because of your post. The feature list looks to be exactly how I configure Pale Moon. If it has WebRTC then it might be my ideal Pale Moon sidekick (instead of Firefox) for work. And I could finally have a sidekick browser on my most hardened/important machine.

I finally got around to trying LibreWolf and wouldn't you know it, it does not work on Windows 7. So that was a big, fat disappointment.

Ref: https://librewolf.net/installation/wind ... s-versions

[Night Wing]

I finally got around to trying LibreWolf and wouldn't you know it, it does not work on Windows 7. So that was a big, fat disappointment.

Ref: https://librewolf.net/installation/wind ... s-versions

I do not use Windows 7 anymore, but have you tried Waterfox? Waterfox still supports Windows 7 which you can see in the System Requirements at the link below.

https://www.waterfox.net/download/

[BenFenner]

I'll consider it. Thank you.

[gepus]

I finally got around to trying LibreWolf and wouldn't you know it, it does not work on Windows 7. So that was a big, fat disappointment.

Be assured about your next disappointment being preprogrammed with Waterfox as soon as Firefox ends support for Win7.

[frostknight]

Be assured about your next disappointment being preprogrammed with Waterfox as soon as Firefox ends support for Win7.

I wonder when that will happen though.

EDIT:

Seems that is march 2025.

[andyprough]

Be assured about your next disappointment being preprogrammed with Waterfox as soon as Firefox ends support for Win7.

I wonder when that will happen though.

EDIT:

Seems that is march 2025.

Mozilla says:

Mozilla will provide security updates for Firefox 115 ESR until at least March 2025, when the position will be re-evaluated.

[Shadow]

Waterfox sold out twice. Once to an ad company and now also on the Google bandwagon. I've never felt they're solidly trustworthy.

Google, Opera, Vivaldi, BrowserWorks (Waterfox) and Wavebox (a premium, ad-free browser), have formed an alliance to highlight the problems associated with how Microsoft promotes its Edge browser on Windows PCs.

Source

Yet, there is easily findable evidence that Google Chrome is still the most widely used desktop browser on Windows, which makes the entire "fight" a farce.

Google seem petty knowing they might be forced to sell off Chrome soon but can easily see them having some underhanded tactics up their sleeves.

Firefox will potentially see their Google search engine revenue dry up next year, and some rumors that Moz might cease the browser in the not to distant future, because they are focusing their sights elsewhere. Those being into advertising and AI.

[Night Wing]

Pale Moon has been my daily driver starting with Windows Pale Moon 4.0 and then when I went to Linux Mint, Linux Pale Moon became my daily driver in January of 2014. Since Pale Moon gets discriminated against by some websites, I have to have a backup browser.

That backup browser was Firefox. But Mozilla began doing some things I did not care for which I will not go into to keep this post short. I searched around and found Waterfox and after using it for awhile and liking it, Waterfox became my backup browser because it did not follow "exactly" what Mozilla had been doing with Firefox.

About a month ago or there abouts, I found linux Floorp since it was being mentioned on the Linux Mint Forums site quite a bit. I started to use it so I could compare it to Waterfox. I do like Floorp a lot and I am seriously considering making Floorp my backup browser to Pale Moon.

Speaking for me personally, for a backup browser to Pale Moon; I want the browser to work without causing me any problems. Secondly, I want to like using it because I am the type of person if I find something that works, but I do not like using it, I will eventually quit using it.

But one thing is carved in "granite". When it comes to browsers, I will NEVER use linux Chrome or linux Edge.

[frostknight]

Waterfox sold out twice. Once to an ad company and now also on the Google bandwagon. I've never felt they're solidly trustworthy.

And... mozilla has sold out way more times even if you only consider the times while waterfox was alive. I am not saying they don't have problems, but by comparison, I would trust waterfox first.

This being said, Librewolf, Mullvad and if Icecat is up to date are the best options in my opinion.

I don't know why, but I haven't been able to get betterfox working of late. I don't know what is going on.

[BenFenner]

I do not use Windows 7 anymore, but have you tried Waterfox? Waterfox still supports Windows 7 which you can see in the System Requirements at the link below.

https://www.waterfox.net/download/

Their minimum system requirements for Windows are incorrect. Their installers for version 6.5.0 and later (I have not checked any earlier versions) all say Windows 10 is the minimum OS requirement and refuse to run on Win7

Edit: I looks like version G6.0.20 is the last Waterfox version to support Windows 7. I may give it a try, we'll see.

[lunapalida]

[quote=BenFenner post_id=258459 time=1736264069 user_id=9316]

https://www.waterfox.net/download/

Edit: I looks like version G6.0.20 is the last to support Windows 7. I may give it a try, we'll see.
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You´re in the wrong forum.

[moonbat]

You´re in the wrong forum.

And you need to quote properly, use the preview function before posting a reply.