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Grant money to non-mainstream projects
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Grant money to non-mainstream projects
FUTO is a new organization in Texas that is giving out grant money to people who are working on giving back control to the consumer.
I don't know if Pale Moon would qualify. I think it can be presented as an alternative browser to Chrome/Edge/Firefox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUADlRK4e1U&t=8m49s
Louis Rossmann talks about it at the end of the video.
Here's the email address: grants@futo.org
I don't know if Pale Moon would qualify. I think it can be presented as an alternative browser to Chrome/Edge/Firefox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUADlRK4e1U&t=8m49s
Louis Rossmann talks about it at the end of the video.
Here's the email address: grants@futo.org
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Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
Their official site uses one of my favorite Dune quotes across the bottom of every page:
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
I'm not sure if we'd qualify, but you're free to tip them off about our existence, either way! I think it'd fall under their "Legendary grants" programme if anything.
Lord knows the project could use some help/exposure in a positive light let alone options to attract more developers to contribute.
Lord knows the project could use some help/exposure in a positive light let alone options to attract more developers to contribute.
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Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
This is the greatest code of conduct ever written https://wp.futo.org/what-does-futo-believe/
Bravo, FUTO, bravo.
I like these folks a lot, whoever they are.
Bravo, FUTO, bravo.



I like these folks a lot, whoever they are.
Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
Nothing on FUTO's own website about who or how they are funded that I could see. Not very transparent.
There's a thread on a Raspberry Pi forum: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=339465
A not very informative FUTO twitter feed: https://twitter.com/FUTO_Tech
And also FUTO founder Eron Wolf's twitter: https://twitter.com/eron_wolf

There's a thread on a Raspberry Pi forum: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=339465
A not very informative FUTO twitter feed: https://twitter.com/FUTO_Tech
And also FUTO founder Eron Wolf's twitter: https://twitter.com/eron_wolf
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Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
Now that you mention it, there is something fishy about this. The third comment on the RPi forum raised some questions. The FUBS platform is just strange all together. They seem to be more or less against crypto on the FUTO platform, but if you check the related works at the bottom of this page, many are deeply connected to crypto/blockchain. MetaMask, LBRY, NOSTR (the creator is a major bitcoin guy)
I rescind my bravo claps pending further investigation, something is not adding up
I rescind my bravo claps pending further investigation, something is not adding up
Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
I just assumed it was the founder's incentive to use some of his billionaire funds for supporting projects he agrees with.
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Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
This is one of the projects Mr Eron Wolf (aka Eron Jokipii) has favoured: https://www.transparencyusa.org/fl/donor/eron-jokipii
Admittedly $20,000 is mere peanuts to a billionaire... barely leaving a calling card... whereas Eron's $10 million funding grant to the 'Minds' alternative social network is much more serious money. Eron is quoted as saying "...the world needs more companies like Minds that are dedicated to independence, transparency, user sovereignty, and freedom of speech."
https://reclaimthenet.org/minds-raises-10-million-futo/
https://venturebeat.com/games/minds-rai ... aging-app/
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/06/ ... ypted-app/
What is it with silicon valley tech billionaires and their frankly simplistic ideas about freedom and freedom of speech? The Elon and Eron mindset would appear to lean heavily on 'libertarian right' thinking and perhaps intentionally, or unintentionally, towards an anarchistic free-for-all... wrenching open the lid of Pandora's Box to its fullest extent... thereby encouraging harassment, bullying, intimidation, hate speech, and worse? As if social media hasn't caused enough strife in apparently 'free' societies already?
The freedom to shout "fire" in a crowded cinema isn't freedom and never has been.
PS. Question. Why was 'hope' left in Pandora's Box? If the box was originally full of all the evils of the world... is hope evil?
Admittedly $20,000 is mere peanuts to a billionaire... barely leaving a calling card... whereas Eron's $10 million funding grant to the 'Minds' alternative social network is much more serious money. Eron is quoted as saying "...the world needs more companies like Minds that are dedicated to independence, transparency, user sovereignty, and freedom of speech."
https://reclaimthenet.org/minds-raises-10-million-futo/
https://venturebeat.com/games/minds-rai ... aging-app/
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/06/ ... ypted-app/
What is it with silicon valley tech billionaires and their frankly simplistic ideas about freedom and freedom of speech? The Elon and Eron mindset would appear to lean heavily on 'libertarian right' thinking and perhaps intentionally, or unintentionally, towards an anarchistic free-for-all... wrenching open the lid of Pandora's Box to its fullest extent... thereby encouraging harassment, bullying, intimidation, hate speech, and worse? As if social media hasn't caused enough strife in apparently 'free' societies already?
The freedom to shout "fire" in a crowded cinema isn't freedom and never has been.
PS. Question. Why was 'hope' left in Pandora's Box? If the box was originally full of all the evils of the world... is hope evil?
Re: Grant money to non-mainstream projects
This kind of take can only come from one who has never used the internet for online discussion before it was dominated by a handful of social media companies. If you find this 'simplistic', who is the totally unbiased, ubermensch sans any personal or political agenda that you would trust to mediate speech worldwide, given you seem to be under the premise that people are too dumb to decide for themselves what they want to see online?
Note that I said SEEM - and am not assuming or accusing you of anything here.
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